Emmanuel Lopez is a 19-year-old pot smoking cretin who stole a puppy from a Petland while his two friends who worked there distracted the manager. Lopez didn’t really want the puppy though as he returned it 3 days later. What he wanted to do was torment the helpless animal for his own amusement:
Lopez pleaded guilty in May to stealing the puppy on March 21 from a Petland store in Naperville. The dog was returned to the store three days later and has since been adopted. Prosecutors brought up the alleged abuse Wednesday as an aggravating factor in the theft.
“The bottom rung of humanity abuses animals for their amusement,” Kinsella told Lopez. “Anybody who abused animals for their own amusement has a problem.”
Assistant State’s Atty. Mary Cronin said Lopez was asked to participate in the theft by two store employees.
“One of the employees distracted the manager and the other made sure the coast was clear,” Cronin said.
Lopez stuffed the 2-pound puppy under his sweatshirt and walked out of the store, she said.
Naperville Police Detective Richard Arsenault testified Wednesday that after stealing the dog, Lopez and some friends drove around the area, “blowing marijuana smoke in the dog’s face until it passed out.”
Lopez told Kinsella that “the dog didn’t pass out right away; he passed out later.”
“Is there a difference?” Kinsella asked.
When you’re dealing with pot heads the minutiae make all the difference. Like many marijuana users Lopez thinks he can fool the world into thinking the dog passed out for some other reason besides he and a couple of morons driving around blowing smoke in its face. Also like most chronic drug users he’s a career criminal, having two prior theft convictions already at the ripe old age of 19.
So legalization advocates, what’s the deal? Tell me how legalization would have stopped this crime from happening, or is it possible that pot smoking caused this crime?
h/t Crime Scene KC
You sir, are the degenerate. First of all the dog wasnt exactly “abused” he was sedated, the picture you are trying to create of some deranged, dangerous, uncontrollably stoned children who can think of nothing else but mutitaing a puppy, is false, your assumotiuon that marijuana is the cause of the negative actions of anyone who smokes is absurd. You seem way too concerned over a plant that by your own choice of not smoking, has absolutely no effect on your life, get bent you conservative tool. Keep your propaganda out of my freedom loving country.
Yeah, this article is a poorly written biased piece of shit.
What Bob said.
Are you KIDDING me?! You’re blaming marijuana for kids doing something stupid and blowing smoke in a dog’s face. The kids (being uneducated about marijuana, thanks to draconian, racist and ignorant laws that YOU are helping) were most likely sharing the drug with the dog. After all, they felt good doing marijuana. Why shouldn’t a dog enjoy it?
Kids give their dogs chocolate (which, by the way, can kill a dog) because, well, they like chocolate.. so their dogs must like it too, right?
If these guys had actually “tortured” the dog, I would still have to say that it’s not marijuana’s fault. This article is seriously flawed considering that it only mentions marijuana and hardly gives any context at all.
I’m a passionate animal ethics activist, and I call your take on this bullcrap.
I agree, this article is poorly written. I blow smoke into my dogs face everyday and as a matter of fact he likes it. He runs to it everytime he smells it waiting for that next hit. Marijuana is good for you, makes you feel better, and used in medical situations. Maybe you need to smoke a joint yourself and chill out. Then write your story.
So asinine. Explain what part is poorly written and what the health benefits of getting high are.
Both you douches sound EXACTLY like alcoholics. But even some of them can admit that drinking isn’t good for you per se. Are you two unemployed losers so missing anything else in your life that you’ll actually pretend getting high is good for you, and that you’re better writers than me. Ha!
If the human body wasn’t meant to inhale smoke, why is pot smoke harmless?
Explain the 30 years of research that shows chronic use isn’t harmless.
Ok this is disgusting! Why is our government allowed to do this to HUMANS? For the people wondering….. If you wish to torture, do not do it to animals… you will serve TIME IN PRISON! Simply join a branch of the US military and you can satisfy you sick desire with the approval of the government!
So our government kidnaps people and blows pot smoke in their face? And this si torture to you?
The point here is that animals don’t want to get high, and don’t want pot smoke in their face. Torturing terrorists (which we don’t do ) is completly different.
If you had information that could stop your friends from killing my friends, would you give it to me even if you knew I’d probably pop one in your friends head? YOU might but most Muslim fighters are trained to be pretty hardcore. So you have to make them talk. We do it by dumping caterpillars on their head, slapping them, pouring water on them and “forcing” them to look at naked women.
They torture through rape, scooping put the eyes of people, raosting the victims children in ovens. raping family members etc. These are all verifiable stories of how Al-Qaeda and other Jihadist groups treat prisoners. We don’t do that, but our “torture” which in my youth we called rough housing, makes you cry like a little French girl.
If you think we’re no better than put down your bong, convert and go live amongst your heroes.
While blowing smoke at the puppy until it gets sick and passes out is not on the same scale as kicking it around and breaking its bones, its still cruel.
Say whatever you want about puppies that like to get high, something tells me this puppy was most likely trying to get away.
Looks like we have plenty of pot advocates here in the comments. I guess people will do anything to justify their retarted habits. I have been fighting a nicotene habit for years and ill be the first one to vote for a law making the manufacture of tobacco illegal, that will just make it easier for me to quit.
Who wants to live in a world full of beavis and buttheads and cheech and chongs, because no matter what anyone says thats all ive seen come from smoking pot.
Come on guys lets wake up, we do alot of things that are not necessarily good for us, lets be intelligent enough to understand that and atleast not promote the bad things we do. Would you get your little brother or sister high? if you would then you are a total peice of crap, if not then why is it acceptable to do it to a puppy?
Anything you drop about weed my friend is all bias, so save it. Let’s start with the side talk first. You’re right, the human body was never meant to inhale smoke, which is why you can eat and also vaporize THC, which I would like to point out is the drug we are talking about.
You’re trying to claim that weed caused these kids to do this? I have never smelled a more stereotypical asshole through the internet as I have after reading this fartical. Your ignorance is only outweighed by the clear lack of insight on the real world and also cannabis itself.
Is it wrong to steal a puppy, yes. Is it also wrong to cause that said puppy to pass from smoke inhalation, damn right it is. This has nothing to do with drugs and everything to do with character. I am so sick of people trying to take a symptom and turn it into an illness. In fact, I would like to congratulate you for allowing this worthless PoS animal abuser to have an excuse to do what he did. Bravo Take a bow you enabling douche.
A) If marijuana has no effect on people’s behavior and perception, why do people use it as a recreational drug? People get high for the same reasons they get drunk, to lose control and lower inhibitions.
B) Please explain to us what “stereotypical assholes” smell like.
C) So what insight am I missing about pot? You claim I’m missing something, but you and the hundreds of other basement dwellers who troll here never explain why adults should be applauded for acting like 14-year-olds and never growing up. Why do you smoke pot? Because you suck and without the weed you’d be just another douche bag. Pot smoking is your way of coping with your mediocrity and immaturity.
D) Drug use and lack of character are intertwined. Moreover, drug use accentuates both mental illness and criminality. Even if you accept that pot doesn’t cause crime (which is silly, it’s like saying getting drunk doesn’t play a part in drunk driving deaths, drunken assaults, and date rapes) you must admit that the drug culture provides comfort and aid for people given to criminality like this.
And let’s not bullshit here. They didn’t think they were torturing the animal, they gave it pot because they thought it would be funny to get it high. They didn’t set out to “torture” the animal, anymore than they set out to torture themselves when getting high. If they weren’t avid smokers they wouldn’t have done this, and you know it.
Resist the New World Order.
If all pot-smokers are “14-year-olds and never growing up.” then explain this guy: http://marijuanacannabis.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/barak.jpeg
Ahem, Rob.
A.First of all, nobody said that pot has no effect on people. If they did, then they’re just stupid. Second of all, your reasoning is absurd. People do things that change their state of mind because its refreshing to view things differently sometimes, if people wanted to lose control of themselves they would live in a dictatorship.
B.Its a figure of speech you troglodyte, he can tell you’re an asshole because you obviously don’t ever think for yourself, you just get your mind to repeat what you’ve been told over and over again.
C.What insight are you missing about pot? hmm, how about the fact that pot is completely healthy for you, studies have been shown that it stimulates brain cell growth, fights diseases like, cancer, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, and reduces nausea. There have been NO documented cases of lung cancer or black lung caused by cannabis use alone, and there have been NO documented deaths caused by cannabis THROUGHOUT ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY.
D.Associating marijuana with other drugs is just silly, marijuana is nothing like other drugs, if you actually knew anything about the plant you wouldn’t have written this piece of shit article. If pot use and lack of character are intertwined then how do you explain all the PRESIDENTS, GOLD MEDALISTS, AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS THAT SMOKE POT, AND HAVE ADMITTED TO SMOKING POT? And how do you explain how drug culture seems to thrive under all the social and legal stress that’s put on it? And speaking of the legal stress, the only reason that pot is associated with crime in the first place is because its illegal, when you ilegalize something, you make a criminal out of anyone associated with it, no matter how harmless it is.
As for you’re other bullshit I dare you to find one study that shows that chronic use isn’t harmless and hasn’t been disregarded by the medical community. There aren’t any. Torture implys some kind of harm, they didn’t hurt the animal at all, they just got it stoned and it passed out. Even if the dog didn’t want to get high, they weren’t torturing it by any means.
And as for your crack about pot smokers being mediocre, shitty writers. I think the Beatles writing has gotten just a little more popularity than this piece of shit website. Also, pot isn’t un-American the declaration of independence was written on hemp paper.
Suck a dick.
I’m a chemical engineer who indulges in the use of marijuana as medicine and as a spiritual tool. I can safely tell you that the only reason you think marijuana causes ‘chronic stupidity,’ as I’ll put it bluntly, is because childish users who hold no respect for the substance they are using are the people who are popping up in stories such as this one. If one were to have a pre-existing ‘idiot complex,’ then marijuana will do nothing to help them. What I mean to say is that yes, this idea probably dawned on them in a THC induced haze, and to them it probably sounded like a darn good one. “Dude… Let’s steal a puppy and get it stoned. Hahahahaha.” Well occasional and responsible users such as myself can safely say that this stereotype of a marijuana user does not apply to every one of us. In fact, I’d say these types of people are few and far between, except their oblivion to reason is why they are the ones appearing in the news, and not us. Here’s another example. A man with an extremely addictive personality and low level of responsibility is far more likely to drink himself half to death and cause a fatal car accident than the casual drinker who has a glass of red wine a day to stave off cancer and heart disease. Are we on the same page now?
You sound like the typical narrow-minded, conservative, ignoramus; in which case your point is completely invalid.
Jump off a bridge 🙂
Rob Taylor is a biased faggot
U mad
Another example of your reasoning, if you will.
Emanuel Lopez is a 19 year old water-drinking cretin. He stole a puppy from a store and gave it so much water that the puppy died of water intoxication. Everyone in the world that drinks water is now a damned animal torturing criminal.
I have a fairly simple answer as to why legalizing cannabis may have prevented this crime.
By consuming an illegal herb, the perpetrator was spurred on to commit further illegal acts. If the herb in question were legal, it would be more likely that a culture of responsibility would develop concerning it, and the users of the drug might behave more responsibly.
There is nothing inherent to cannabis which causes violent behavior, and it is only the stupidity of the user in question which caused him to act that way, reflecting the stupidity of the law concerning cannabis. Stupidity begets stupidity after all.
I pose this question. If tobacco were illegal, would not the kid have been equally likely to blow the smoke of that drug in the puppy’s face? And would this act not have been equally horrifying?
Yours, etc.
lol
This is why people dont like pot. Just becuase some retards stole a puppy from some store does not mean pot is bad. just because they were high when they did it also doesnt make pot bad. its funny to see people try to explain why pot causes crime. they try to take the very snall percentage of people that are criminals and make u read about there behavior and they tell u “if u smoke pot ull be just like this”. i bet if u named a criminal that smokes pot i could give u 10 names of people who smoke pot and are not criminals. so yes pot is bad for criminals. but to put the resoning for all crime is pot is stuopid
Many veterinary medicines have far more side effects and put the animal through a great deal more trauma than marijuana would. Is it cruel to let a veterinarian sedate your dog to perform surgery?
Catnip has much more profound effects on cats than marijuana has on humans or other animals. Is it cruel to give your cat some catnip?
Marijuana is one of the safest and gentlest drugs known to man. Safer than asprin. That dog was never in any danger in any way whatsoever. I agree these kids need some counseling, sure, they should be punished to show that theft is wrong, and “abusing” animals like that should also not be tolerated, yet you’re treating it like it’s the end of the world, and these kids dismembered the puppy limb from limb and made a hat out of the parts. There are far, far worse things in this world than a couple of kids smoking marijuana, harming no one.
Yes, disturbed and confused kids are out there, they need better parenting. They’ve been around for thousands of years, kids will always rebel. Marijuana has no effect on this. Just be glad they weren’t drinking alcohol, it could have been a lot worse. They could have killed the puppy had they given it alcohol. They could have caused themselves permanent brain damage had they been drinking alcohol. They could have put other motorists at risk had they been driving under the influence of alcohol. They could have developed a long term physical addiction if they drank alcohol. They could have started causing liver damage if it were alcohol. They could have become aggressive and belligerent if they had been drinking alcohol. None of those are problems with marijuana.
This “article” is written like a Perez Hilton wannabe on LiveJournal. I’m sorry, but your bias un-american activities mockup is really just a joke to everyone else.
I laugh at “un-american” as well, in 2004 it was shown that more than 40% of the US population has smoked before, and something like 25% smoke every day. And these were people coming from all walks of life, by the way, not your “14 year olds who never grow up” demographic. I’m talking about doctors, scientists, politicians, there really was no class or social status that abstained from cannabis use. How’s this for American, Michael Phelps 14 Career Gold Medals for the United States in the Olympics, whoops I guess he smokes pot so he’s not American and he’s probably an unsuccessful homeless guy too.
Yes, these kids (which is what they are, by the way, 19 or not – they’re children who needed better parents in their infancy) are in the wrong for stealing a puppy, and on top of that medicating the dog into a long nap because it wasn’t their puppy to begin with. But I’m sorry to burst your bubble, marijuana did not force them to commit the crime of stealing the puppy.
Of course cannabis has an effect on ones mind, behavior, and personality. While under the effects of cannabis, one usually feels open minded and interested to learn, whether it’s information coming out of a television or information coming out of hands on one thing is certain: everything becomes interesting and “of importance”. Generally a user feels calm and peaceful, claims of cannabis inciting rage are absolutely ridiculous as the main reason why the US Military did not marijuana to be used at war is because it would make the soldiers docile, not lazy or careless, but they thought for themselves and realized the futility of war. Soldiers in Vietnam who had smoked cannabis didn’t run out and rape, pillage and steal, instead they sang songs and wrote poems.
No one is saying marijuana is absolutely harmless. We know there are harms with the drug, it’s a psychedelic at heart and well… anyone with predisposed family histories of mental illness should NOT be using the drug or ANY psychedelic for that matter.
Ash Miller, all you’ve seen come from pot is Beavis and Butthead and Cheech and Chong? Which by the way, Cheech and Chong are rated as some of the most groundbreaking comical performers of their age – because that’s what that was… a comical performance.
I’m sorry, do you live under a rock Ash Miller? Richard Marin and Tommy Chong, both marijuana advocates, are incredibly successful – are they not? If alluding to these people is somehow bad, then I suppose Rodney Dangerfield was an absolute devil and all of his great comical works are trash?
I suppose we should just remove the contributes from the history books for people like Carl Sagan, Woody Harrelson, Louis Armstrong, Bing Crosby, Whoopi Goldberg, Drew Carey, President Jimmy Carter, Johnny Depp, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Ray Charles, Bette Middler, the CEO of AARP, Calvin Klien, President John F. Kennedy, Bill Murray, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Morgan Freeman, The founding fathers of the United States of America, Queen Latifah, Julia Roberts, William Shakespeare, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Brad Pitt, Bruce Willis, Patrick Swayze, Ted Turner, Montel Williams, Tarintino, all of which who used marijuana… and the list goes on. All of those people, with their successes, geez just imagine what they would’ve been without cannabis!
I hope you’re not religious, at least not of Genesis which promotes cannabis. Better burn that bible!
And hell, I could go into the thousands of uses it has as a plant, medicine, food, clothes, and fuel… but nah. You close-minded fucks have turned this into a ridiculous bias rant void of logic and rationality.
Good day gentlemen and ladies.
Now you’re censoring people’s free speech and moderating user(s) input. Pretty American.
Oy vey. Since this post is literally A YEAR OLD and I’ve done dozens of Victimless Crime Files since then I will briefly address the points some of you 420Chan cretin are making but I will not be dragged into socializing with you.
Casey – Your first point is addict reasoning. It isn’t “refreshing ‘ to get toasted after you’ve already done it. Weed is a habit forming substance and people smoke it for the same reason that smoke cigarettes or “need” a glass of wine to fall asleep. They’re weak and can’t deal with reality unfiltered. Marijuana is not healthy for you and in fact has been proven by 30 years of research here and in Europe to increase the likelihood of mental illness in chronic smokers and mimic Schizophrenia in heavy users. Here’s the link to those studies:
http://www.eurad.net/mary/Cannabis%20and%20Mental%20Illness.pdf
As to your point about lack of character why do you assume that government officials and athletes have more character than others? Bill Clinton is an example of a man with character? A man who cheated on his wife with a woman his daughter’s age? Really?
“Well Now” – I refer you to the studies I linked to above. And only an addict claims nonsense like there is parity between some drug they take and water. I’d also be remiss to point out that an “occasional” user would not be part of a herd of bleating potheads sent here from a 420Chan forum.
“Jonathon Davis” and “rapefist” – Your homophobia is disgusting, you both prove yourselves to be narrow-minded by your own comments and only douchey little emo-fags listen to Nu-metal. Grow a penis and either listen to metal or rap, not some effeminate combination of both.
Carl – By your logic if we allowed child molestation a “culture of responsibility” would develop around raping children and there’d be no crimes committed by perverts. This is nonsense. How about that “culture of responsibility” that surrounds drinkers? That works well huh?
Nick – Actually 100% of people smoking pot in states with no medical marijuana laws are criminals by definition but to your point although there have been no studies concerning how many pot smokers are criminals there have been ones on criminals who were pot smokers. In one study of arrests in 10 metro areas 50% of criminals arrested for crimes other than drug possession tested positive for drug use with Marijuana being the most common drug being used by criminals in all cities except Atlanta where cocaine was the most prevalent.
“Anon” – That’s silly. Why would pot be safer than aspirin? Both come from plants and you’re whole theory that pot is safe is based on the idea that because something is a plant that it is “good for you” while chemicals aren’t, but aspirin is made from willow bark so…
Pot isn’t harmless and I’m not the one overreacting to this. You are. Odd since I though you pot smokers were so mellow.
And lastly for the guy who signed in as “the Pres” and changed to “a moron” since linking to the White House to promote drug abuse is moronic – 25% of Americans think Jewish space lizards secretly run the world. Why do I care what some people do? Almost all your comment is utter bunk.
19-year-olds are adults who are responsible for their actions.
Getting high is not promoted in Genesis.
Cheech and Chong are not “incredibly successful” except by the standards of the downwardly mobile.
There is no evidence Shakespeare smoked pot. And Jimmy Carter? Really? I’m glad that celebrity drug use is your model for how you live your life.
I just so happen to have another story I’m posting on my front page of a stoner and a puppy. This time he kills it and laughs. Maybe you guys can come there and talk about how awesome getting high is.
“robdouche” – Taking out the link to the White House isn’t censorship dummy.
Pretty sure if you claim to be a man of god, then yes, it does. 🙂
“”I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it.”
– Genesis 1:29″
Also, Jimmy Carter never smoked, I included his name because he supported it very clearly.
“”Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against possession of marihuana in private for personal use… Therefore, I support legislation amending Federal law to eliminate all Federal criminal penalties for the possession of up to one ounce of marihuana.”
– Jimmy Carter, 39th U.S. President”
Celebrities or not, the majority of the people in that list I provided have contributed more to society than you – and maybe even myself – will ever manage to, and they do it with Cannabis.
I’m sure you’ve never cast an ill stone…
We’re all human, we have free will, if a person makes a mistake while under the influence of cocaine, marijuana, alcohol, emotion – no matter what it “could be blamed on”, it’s the fault of the person. Isn’t it?
There’s still nothing but anecdotal evidence on your side, correlation does not imply causation.
Christians, Muslims, all the same! Enjoy your crusades, Rob.
Peace.
When did I claim to be a “man of God’ moron? I’m not even a Christian. But the Bible has prohibitions against intoxication and that passage is widely known by people who aren’t desperate to get others to sign off on their habits as referring to man’s dominion over the earth, i.e that the Christian God wants us to farm.
But if you love the Bible so much try reading Galatians 5:19-21Thessalonians 5:6-8, Peter 1:13-17 or Peter 5:8,9.
Jimmy Carter is a Jew hating Communist. He supports you getting high for the same reason the Soviet Union supported people getting drunk, because it makes you easy to lead.
If you think celebrities like Queen Latifah contribute more to society than you it’s because you’re stupid. I can see you spend most of your time in front of a television. Get out and live a real life, not a fantasy where Queen Latifah and you are doing more for society than me. How much charity work have you done?
“I’m sure you’ve never cast an ill stone…” That’s not English. What’s an “ill stone” and why would I not cast one?
“We’re all human, we have free will, if a person makes a mistake while under the influence of cocaine, marijuana, alcohol, emotion – no matter what it “could be blamed onâ€, it’s the fault of the person. Isn’t it?”
So if a girl passes out after drinking it’s her fault if someone rapes her? But more to the point are you claiming that your behavior high and sober are the same? If pot doesn’t impair your judgment why shouldn’t school bus drivers be allowed to get high while working? Or cops? Or doctors?
Also the research I have pointed out is not anecdotal. You yourself are using anecdotal evidence with your celebrity argument.
And if Christians and Muslims are the same why are there no catholic suicide bombers?
I don’t mean to imply that you lack reading comprehension, but let me point out something you apparently misunderstood. I clearly said “if”, I didn’t imply that you were a man of God, I simply backed the Genesis book preaching that the plant is ours to use for as many uses it may have.
The Bible is a good story. Wine is an intoxicant, profusely used in the religion, and there have been discoveries showing use of entheogens such as ergot, datura, amanita, and even… cannabis… in pre-modern Christian rituals as secondary sacraments. Not that I’m trying to say it was preached in the bible itself, a book by man.
I’m not sure about Queen Latifah’s philanthropy work, but I can tell you with certainty that Jay Z contributed $1,500,000 to aid post Hurricane Katrina efforts. You can pick apart the people who’ve contributed nothing but entertainment (which by the way, whether you like it or not: entertainment is contribution to society), or you can look at the others who are using their money from success for world aide, funding water filtration systems for poor African nations, or helping feed the hungry. I am merely contradicting your idea that you can’t be successful and smoke cannabis, it also contradicts that cannabis inherently makes you evil. And just to be clear: no where am I claiming that cannabis use inherently makes you good, either.
I do not care for celebrities personally, I only admire one when they do good for the world. As I would any other human, whether they smoked or not.
Cast – to direct; to throw or hurl; fling. ill – hostile; unkindly. The resemblance to “cast the first stone” should have given away the meaning to my words, this is merely a saying in my region. Making a mistake, passing irrational judgement, committing a crime, hurting someone, being a bad person.
So you’re telling me it’s the alcohol’s fault that the hypothetical girl gets raped? And not the person who is committing the crime? And yes, she was irresponsible with her alcohol usage and passed out, putting herself into a vulnerable position for scum to take advantage of. That is her fault, but it is ultimately the CRIME of the rapist, and the rapist’s own will to commit the rape. It is possible that the hypothetical rapist would have benefited from a stronger parental figure in his/her life.
And your hypothetical rape could’ve possibly been prevented by responsible consumption and an education on substance abuse for the people involved. But we all know that most men can easily overpower most females, you still cannot blame this on the substance
Dare I repeat myself, alcohol is not cannabis. Ethanol inhibits judgement at a mere .03% BAC. Ethanol kills at .4%, something that cannabis isn’t even capable of doing at huge doses! Good luck smoking 1,500 lbs of cannabis within 15 minutes.
Again, Rob, advocates like myself promote responsible use. Responsible use doesn’t come with operating forklifts and driving buses full of children, that is irresponsible. A surgeon should not operate on someone unless he’s got a clear mind entirely, this includes leaving his home problems at home, and not coming in under the influence of emotion. I don’t know where doctors are trying to get smoking on the job legalized. Most doctors are responsible people who use logic and rational, they simply wait until after work to toke up. There are plenty of cops against cannabis prohibition. The question is are these cops evil and corrupt for supporting cannabis, or do they see that so many people they arrest for solely cannabis are not actually criminals, except in the definition because cannabis is illegal?
The government wasn’t created to protect stupid people from being stupid.
For as many crimes as you find where someone tested positive for cannabis use. I can find an equal crime with “just because” or “emotion” (anger, rage, love, hate, etc) as the motive or influencing factor. The tests prove nothing.
Just because a person tests positive for cannabis and has chosen to commit a crime does not mean that the cannabis has caused the crime. You’re trying to prove something by using a logical fallacy. Twice now, correlation does not imply causation, that is anecdotal.
I always hear about scumbags getting drunk and beating their wives, but I never hear about a husband getting high and beating his wife. A bit of humor. The real humor lies in the fact that they end up beating their wives whether they’re drunk or sober, hmm.. imagine that.
And I’m not here to debate religion, so I apologize for bringing that up, but I’ll say that it’s because Christians are not suicide bombers because Christians are not fighting for their own land. Suicide bombers are desperate people without a nation. If they had a nation, they would be an army.
There are plenty of Christian soldiers in the US-Afghanistan and US-Iraq war who have no qualms throwing dogs off cliffs or treating refugees of war like dirt. The Muslim world has been rocked by war for the past 2,000 years at a constant. I guess until you see your own family taken away, you can’t imagine why you’d want to strap on a bomb for a belief. Times have changed from the crusades, but Christian books weren’t always the cheerful books that they are now. I’m sure many Christians effectively committed suicide for a belief during the Crusades, not to mention slain innocents, but you should already know that the Crusades were mean times.
Preaching hate and ignorance, to me, is not on the same level as an act of war such as suicide bombing, but it’s a very close second. May I ask what exactly the members of Westboro Baptist Church are smoking, drinking or otherwise intoxicating themselves with? They must be on a drug, right? Such horrible and evil people can’t just exist in a world of sobriety..? Or maybe, evil acts of crime fall on the will of the individual.
To clear up my last statement, I’m not implying that there are not drugs that do not induce change and inhibit decision making. I did (previously) say that cannabis use – especially excessive – does change a personality; it doesn’t turn a human into a monster though. It doesn’t make you perform terrible things such as animal abuse.
And maybe Jimmy had a good idea of what was to come out of Israel. Last I checked, Israel was no more forgiving than Palestine, and commit just as horrible atrocities as Muslims have.
I guess it doesn’t really matter what me or you say, the wheel of cannabis legalization has long been on the move, and it’s picked up quite the pace. Only time will tell what the future will bring. Over 5 millennium in use, any day now there should be conclusive evidence that the plant is evil for everyone.
Adieu, peace.
*Sigh* Are we still doing this?
“I don’t mean to imply that you lack reading comprehension, but let me point out something you apparently misunderstood. I clearly said “ifâ€, I didn’t imply that you were a man of God, I simply backed the Genesis book preaching that the plant is ours to use for as many uses it may have.”
Saying “if” doesn’t change the meaning. You used the Bible (incorrectly) as an example of pro-stoner propaganda and I said, and let me be clear on this, I could give a crap what the Bible claims no offense to my Christian friends. It turns out that you’re wrong, the Bible actually makes multiple references to God’s desire that Christians stay sober as I pointed out, but not being a Christian myself I’m no more swayed by Christian theology in my opinions then I am by any other religion I’m not an adherent to.
“The Bible is a good story. Wine is an intoxicant, profusely used in the religion, and there have been discoveries showing use of entheogens such as ergot, datura, amanita, and even… cannabis… in pre-modern Christian rituals as secondary sacraments. Not that I’m trying to say it was preached in the bible itself, a book by man.”
There is no legitimate academic source that claims this nonsense which is no doubt why you did not source this convent bit of piffle.
“I’m not sure about Queen Latifah’s philanthropy work, but I can tell you with certainty that Jay Z contributed $1,500,000 to aid post Hurricane Katrina efforts. You can pick apart the people who’ve contributed nothing but entertainment (which by the way, whether you like it or not: entertainment is contribution to society), or you can look at the others who are using their money from success for world aide, funding water filtration systems for poor African nations, or helping feed the hungry. I am merely contradicting your idea that you can’t be successful and smoke cannabis, it also contradicts that cannabis inherently makes you evil. And just to be clear: no where am I claiming that cannabis use inherently makes you good, either.”
I give to charity as well, more so I’ve volunteered my time etc. As a Black person I find the tap dancing Uncle Tomism of Jay-Z and Queen Latifah disgusting, especially because it is rewarded by people like you who think these two douches are better role models for kids than Black people who don’t make a living dancing for the White man. Perhaps their drug use is due to their guilt at their rank betrayal of Blacks? Who knows? But what is clear is that the drug culture is at the core of many of the problems we have in the Black community and no amount tax deductible charity work absolves them of responsibility for promoting choices that lead the majority of Black teens to prison, pregnancy or death.
“Cast – to direct; to throw or hurl; fling. ill – hostile; unkindly. The resemblance to “cast the first stone†should have given away the meaning to my words, this is merely a saying in my region. Making a mistake, passing irrational judgement, committing a crime, hurting someone, being a bad person.”
Again not English. My question was what an “ill†stone is. Is this some regionalism I haven’t heard or a failed metaphor?
“So you’re telling me it’s the alcohol’s fault that the hypothetical girl gets raped? And not the person who is committing the crime? And yes, she was irresponsible with her alcohol usage and passed out, putting herself into a vulnerable position for scum to take advantage of. That is her fault, but it is ultimately the CRIME of the rapist, and the rapist’s own will to commit the rape. It is possible that the hypothetical rapist would have benefited from a stronger parental figure in his/her life.”
But sans alcohol it wouldn’t have happened. You’re claiming it’s her fault (it’s not by the way and only a degenerate would claim that is) but you haven’t explained why she would be in that position anyway. You are claiming that being drunk and high have no consequences, and they do. The hypothetical girl in my example is a victim of not just the rapist but people like you who promote a culture of dangerous behavior.
“And your hypothetical rape could’ve possibly been prevented by responsible consumption and an education on substance abuse for the people involved. But we all know that most men can easily overpower most females, you still cannot blame this on the substance”
That’s not true and there is no such thing as “responsible” getting drunk and high.
“Dare I repeat myself, alcohol is not cannabis. Ethanol inhibits judgement at a mere .03% BAC. Ethanol kills at .4%, something that cannabis isn’t even capable of doing at huge doses! Good luck smoking 1,500 lbs of cannabis within 15 minutes.”
I never said it was.
“Again, Rob, advocates like myself promote responsible use. Responsible use doesn’t come with operating forklifts and driving buses full of children, that is irresponsible. A surgeon should not operate on someone unless he’s got a clear mind entirely, this includes leaving his home problems at home, and not coming in under the influence of emotion. I don’t know where doctors are trying to get smoking on the job legalized. Most doctors are responsible people who use logic and rational, they simply wait until after work to toke up. There are plenty of cops against cannabis prohibition. The question is are these cops evil and corrupt for supporting cannabis, or do they see that so many people they arrest for solely cannabis are not actually criminals, except in the definition because cannabis is illegal?”
Getting high is never “responsible’ but to your point I never said anyone was evil or corrupt, simply wrong and likely a smoker. Let’s not bullshit. I know many pot smokers, all are basically the same. All have driven high, all could be using there weed money for their kids or their parents who are struggling etc. Getting high, like getting drunk, is childish nonsense that does burden others. You know cops who want pot legalized? So what? I know cops who hang around strip clubs; I’ve seen cops drink and drive. Just because some mythical cop supports something doesn’t mean its right.
“For as many crimes as you find where someone tested positive for cannabis use. I can find an equal crime with “just because†or “emotion†(anger, rage, love, hate, etc) as the motive or influencing factor. The tests prove nothing.”
No you can’t. And that’s a different point anyway. My point is that most people hit with pot charges were picked up on other charges, and that half of violent criminals were high when they committed a crime. Ergo, pot smokers are not mellow, open minded people who otherwise don’t break laws. Some people are docile when they’re high, some aren’t. The studies I link to explain why.
“I always hear about scumbags getting drunk and beating their wives, but I never hear about a husband getting high and beating his wife. A bit of humor. The real humor lies in the fact that they end up beating their wives whether they’re drunk or sober, hmm.. imagine that.”
I have plenty of stories of people getting high and beating, raping or robbing people in this category. Entertain yourself and read through them.
“And I’m not here to debate religion, so I apologize for bringing that up, but I’ll say that it’s because Christians are not suicide bombers because Christians are not fighting for their own land. Suicide bombers are desperate people without a nation. If they had a nation, they would be an army.”
Actually it’s because Christians believe suicide gives them a one way ticket to Hell whereas Muslims believe that they will be better rewarded in heaven than others. If Muslims are desperately fighting for their lands explain the Jihad against the Dalai Lama? Why are Muslims fighting Muslim governments? Why are Africans in Sudan targets?
“There are plenty of Christian soldiers in the US-Afghanistan and US-Iraq war who have no qualms throwing dogs off cliffs or treating refugees of war like dirt.”
There was one, who was disciplined and you have no evidence he was a Christian.
“The Muslim world has been rocked by war for the past 2,000 years at a constant. ”
Due mainly to Islamic Imperialism. No Muslim country in existence today was not converted through violence. Read a book.
“I guess until you see your own family taken away, you can’t imagine why you’d want to strap on a bomb for a belief. Times have changed from the crusades, but Christian books weren’t always the cheerful books that they are now. I’m sure many Christians effectively committed suicide for a belief during the Crusades, not to mention slain innocents, but you should already know that the Crusades were mean times.”
Yes, yes all Muslims are victims. Save this fantasy for DailyKos. I’ll save my sympathy for the Black Christians and Animists being exterminated by Arabs in the Sudan.
“Preaching hate and ignorance, to me, is not on the same level as an act of war such as suicide bombing, but it’s a very close second. May I ask what exactly the members of Westboro Baptist Church are smoking, drinking or otherwise intoxicating themselves with? They must be on a drug, right? Such horrible and evil people can’t just exist in a world of sobriety..? Or maybe, evil acts of crime fall on the will of the individual.”
The Westboro hate cult is smoking … Communism. They went to Cuba to support Castro multiple times and their leader raised money for Al Gore in the 90s. The supported Baathism as well, which is a kind of socialism. Like all Marxists they believe gays are a result of Capitalist decadence. But this is a red herring. A family who pretends to be a church is hardly something either of us needs to be worried about.
“To clear up my last statement, I’m not implying that there are not drugs that do not induce change and inhibit decision making. I did (previously) say that cannabis use – especially excessive – does change a personality; it doesn’t turn a human into a monster though. It doesn’t make you perform terrible things such as animal abuse.”
It doesn’t turn YOU into a monster. Chronic use induces symptoms of mental illness in users and that expresses in various ways, as the studies I keep trying to get you to read point out. But really are you saying that a sober person would have done this?
“And maybe Jimmy had a good idea of what was to come out of Israel. Last I checked, Israel was no more forgiving than Palestine, and commit just as horrible atrocities as Muslims have.”
Untrue. Moral relativism at it’s most asinine.
“I guess it doesn’t really matter what me or you say, the wheel of cannabis legalization has long been on the move, and it’s picked up quite the pace. Only time will tell what the future will bring. Over 5 millennium in use, any day now there should be conclusive evidence that the plant is evil for everyone.”
Please try posting while sober in the future.
I have plenty of links too, except they’re not fairy tales like the world you live in.
Of course intoxication is prohibited in modern day religious texts. I’m sorry that the present is all that you live in, but our history matters. Christianity is heavily rooted in entheogenic use, predating the rise of Christian popularity. Cannabis, mushroom, and all sorts of other psychotropic plant use did not begin to die out until the 1200’s. Nearly every religion, at one point or another, came in contact with entheogens to aide them in spiritual discovery.
Sans alcohol, the rape may or may not have happened, it was up to the rapist who raped her, not the alcohol. And yes, her irresponsibility and excessive use of alcohol put her into that vulnerable position. I enjoyed your hypothetical rape delusions, though. Something of a fantasy I imagine? All in all, it is irrelevant to marijuana.
There are consequences to everything, especially alcohol. I don’t support the use of alcohol at all. But I’m not about to tell someone they can’t do it if they decide they want to, because only a degenerate would tell another person what they can or cannot do to themselves.
Again, for as many people who you test positive for marijuana after committing a crime, I can find as many who have not tested positive for anything. Not to forget that marijuana tests positive for up to a month after use, so again – irrelevant.
My point isn’t that everyone smoking marijuana is a peaceful being who wouldn’t harm another, my point is that marijuana is not cause behind such violences. This is fact.
I noticed that you consume caffeine, wow… and for someone who I thought to be so pure and above inhibition.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, LEAP, are not “mythical”; you can find a link below.
You have the right to bear arms, I have the right to smoke marijuana. We can duel it out at high noon.
I predicted that you’d bring back some racist shit, so I’m ending this here. LOL, you’re about as black as the sun. Please don’t try to justify that comment by telling everyone else about one of your parents being black or native American. Your skin color is not dark, you don’t face the same discrimination as others. Race means nothing to me, I pride myself for not being a bigot while you seem to act in the complete opposite manner. We’re all human.
Reply if you wish, but not to me. It’ll be a wasted effort as I won’t be coming back to this post to read it. I see you have no problems being rude, insult me all you want but in the end it is meaningless. If you decide to do so, consider doing so without waving your ignorance around as if it’s something to be proud of.
I can post links, but that won’t cure the ignoramus. Only you can do that. Your single link to an anti-drug website riddled with propaganda simply does not impress.
For anyone else who calls themselves an open-minded, thoughtful and aware citizen, please be my guest:
Your blog doesn’t allow me to post more than one link at a time, I’ve included the entire list at the following link:
http://shorttext.com/cgdloydekr
“Of course intoxication is prohibited in modern day religious texts. I’m sorry that the present is all that you live in, but our history matters. Christianity is heavily rooted in entheogenic use, predating the rise of Christian popularity. Cannabis, mushroom, and all sorts of other psychotropic plant use did not begin to die out until the 1200’s. Nearly every religion, at one point or another, came in contact with entheogens to aide them in spiritual discovery.”
There is no legitimate source for what is an idea first introduced by pro-legalization experts. This is an article of faith among people seek to explain “mystical experience” scientifically by claiming such experience can only occur do to drug use. It was picked up by people like you who need to justify their drug use but it is a theory that has no primary sources supporting it.
“Sans alcohol, the rape may or may not have happened, it was up to the rapist who raped her, not the alcohol. And yes, her irresponsibility and excessive use of alcohol put her into that vulnerable position. I enjoyed your hypothetical rape delusions, though. Something of a fantasy I imagine? All in all, it is irrelevant to marijuana.”
Not so I have 10-12 stories in this category of pedophiles who raped teens and children after giving them pot. I guess that was the kids fault too. Here’s a question for you, what kind of adult gets high with kids? And why won’t the people in the drug culture you spend so much time defending to random people at least tell kids to be wary of strangers who want to get them high?
“There are consequences to everything, especially alcohol. I don’t support the use of alcohol at all. But I’m not about to tell someone they can’t do it if they decide they want to, because only a degenerate would tell another person what they can or cannot do to themselves.”
That’s not what “degenerate” means, what you mean is hypocrite. But that aside this is childish thinking at it’s most amusing. Adults tell kids not to hang out in bars so all adults are “degenerates” for not allowing children to do so? People who drink wine with dinner but who are against drinking and driving are “degenerates” in your view? Are you 15?
“Again, for as many people who you test positive for marijuana after committing a crime, I can find as many who have not tested positive for anything. Not to forget that marijuana tests positive for up to a month after use, so again – irrelevant.”
Again you didn’t read the study; the people had pot on them and had imbibed within 24 hours of their arrests. If you want to debunk something you must read it first.
“My point isn’t that everyone smoking marijuana is a peaceful being who wouldn’t harm another, my point is that marijuana is not cause behind such violences. This is fact.”
No it isn’t. Studies have shown that chronic or heavy marijuana uses mimics mental illness in users. That can include psychosis. The pot use causes people to lose their ability to operate as a sane person in those studies, but they return to normal when sober. The studies show that in some people, particularly those predisposed to mental illness and those who use large amounts frequently, pot can make them dangerous to themselves and others.
“Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, LEAP, are not “mythicalâ€; you can find a link below.”
One organization is not a movement. You have never met a person who was in LEAP, for all you know I run that website as a scam to sell ads.
“You have the right to bear arms, I have the right to smoke marijuana. We can duel it out at high noon.”
The Constitution doesn’t give you the “right” to get high.
“I predicted that you’d bring back some racist shit, so I’m ending this here. LOL, you’re about as black as the sun. Please don’t try to justify that comment by telling everyone else about one of your parents being black or native American. Your skin color is not dark, you don’t face the same discrimination as others. Race means nothing to me, I pride myself for not being a bigot while you seem to act in the complete opposite manner. We’re all human.”
So I’m not Black enough for some White douche but that’s not racism? I’m Biracial (which I state clearly all over this site) I grew up in an all Black family in an all Black area that had one of the highest teen pregnancy rates and murder rates in Jersey. I can’t bring my wife to my home town because of the gangsta sub-culture that White people like you promote for Blacks kids. I’ve had guns pulled on me three times, been shot at once (for being a “Zebra”) and I fear for my family every day but since I’m not Black enough for a pot smoking douche bag I don’t get to tell you that Jay-Z promoting that lifestyle to young brothers in my area is bad? You are a racist.
And of course you’ll pretend to scurry off but return under some other handle as you’ve been doing for weeks. It’s sad that this is your life. It really is.
I don’t normally play the voice of reason here, but since when is it cool to steal puppies? The article itself was poorly written, and the tittle’s condemnation of pot was sure to rile up anyone on either side of the legalization debate. I smoke pot. If you think that’s wrong, I respect that and I won’t try to tell you otherwise.
What I think a lot of people are missing is that if he didn’t get caught, it would have meant dick in the long run of things unless he subsequently hurt the puppy, which I consider a ridiculous notion, but consider nonetheless. It’s the kid’s fault for getting stoned and trying to steal a puppy. That was just a stupid idea. I mean, come on. Why would anyone even think that would work? He was being an idiot. Of course the media will call it animal cruelty. Of course the police will. They want to make money off of people’s bail. The lawyers need money too. That’s how it happens. If the article wouldn’t have been so charging and one sided, this argument never would have happened.
My main point is that it all means dick anyway. Some kid got arrested and charged with some heavy shit, pot playing a part in that. It happens every day. Go to jail once and you’ll realize that. Wave your flags of protest, shout, march, go make little legalization t-shirts. Those against pot, you’re wasting your time. If someone’s going to smoke pot, they’re going to smoke pot. You can lock them in jail as long as you want. The first thing they’re going to do when they get out is go home and roll a joint. The idiocy astounds me so much, that I can’t believe I didn’t realize this before. We’re all stuck in a circle of bullshit so deep that even if we knew what to do about it, we would be too late. The only thing left for man kind to do is fall, and when that happens, I’m going to be smoking a doob in my house. Want a drag?
there’s nothing wrong with getting pets high
You’re an ignorant fuck. Get out of my Internet. I hope I see you some day because you would piss me off until I killed you.
I live in Mauldin South Carolina. Hit my contact form and I’ll tell you where to meet me.
Okay Taylor. Based on your many spelling errors and your poorly written article, it’s my opinion as a professional writer that, simply out, you suck.
If you want to know what a stereotypical asshole smells like, sniff yourself.
A professional writer who wants to remain anonymous while throwing out insults on articles they can’t counter with facts. You’re either Stephen King or (more likely) a liar up late on a Sunday smoking pot because you’re unemployed.
Learn what stereotypical really means before throwing it around, oh great author who remains a mystery.