I’ve long said we were entering an another ice age, and promoted the book Not by Fire but by Ice which may have had some problems with the research but the conclusions were right. Now NASA has confirmed that due to decreasing solar activity we will enter an ice age soon if we aren’t in one already. Global warming my ass:
NASA and the ESA agree, and so does the Russian space agency, Roscosmos—the sun is headed for a Grand Solar Minimum and a Grand Cooling will commence.
The aptly named Grand Cooling is exactly what it implies: the sun is going to cool. That cooling will also cool off the Earth. It will last from 30 to 50 years.
What exactly does global cooling mean? Well for one, Al Gore was sure wrong! The Earth isn’t going to warm, it’s going to get colder. Much colder. So cold a little or full-blown Ice Age will ensue. As a matter of fact, some scientists claim we’re already in the early stages of an Ice Age.
The article is interesting and I urge people to read the whole thing, which includes links to some of the papers these researchers have written describing solar activity and climate. The article ends with a jibe at Al Gore which also should scare the pants off of you:
It is unfortunate that Al Gore’s inconvenient truth turned out to be a fallacy. Global warming is much preferable to the climate the Earth actually seems on the verge of slipping into within a few short years.
Depending on the severity of the Ice Age, agriculture could be severely affected and millions could perish.
There are country destabilizing food riots now, as it gets colder each year things are going to get worse and worse.
It is really telling how desperate alarmists are when tsunamis, volcanoes and record snowfalls are cited as effects of global warming.
Global warming theory accounts for localized cooling in North America, parts of Europe, and Great Britain. In these places wind currents and weather patterns will change, As in other places, weather will be more severe. Currently, in Alaska, Siberia, Canada and other places have 4 degree rises in temperature on average. The permafrost is melting.
Remember the Global in global warming. Average temperature will drop. Average. If you average the times of runners in a race, some will be much faster some will be much slower.
Global warming is just a theory. Currently, you can also chart accurate weather patterns based on sun spot activity. This does not account for the average temperature rises we have seen over the last hundred years.
If the doctor tells you that you need to loose weight and stop smoking to cut your chance of heart attack, do you do it and live a healthier lifestyle on the chance that he/she is right, or do stick to your guns and laugh at him/her when you are diagnosed with cancer instead.
If we cut CO2 admissions during an ice age not only will plants be deprived of an essential chemical to grow in decades of harsh growing environments poor people will freeze to death when they can’t afford heat.
Global warming would be good for the planet. Original models predicted a Greenland that would be able to be farmed for example, and new sections of Canada being productive. The coming ice age – which has nothing to do with CO2 admissions – will kill 50% of Westerners in the couple of decades years and you’re still trying to make political points?
Instead of writing in here you should be buying canned food.
I do buy canned foods. But people prepare to have security. They form Tea Parties and other organizations to change the course of countries. So we should not ignore a possible method to stop a disaster. We require building codes to keep people safe. We require cars to have safety features to keep people safe.
But we can’t sit down as reasonable people and say lets take steps, which are happening anyway, to live cleaner healthier lives. I say lets use the “green” movement to achieve national security. Lets, as avid hunters and “tree huggers,” Republicans, Independents, and Democrats, fisherman and Greenpeace, sit down and say lets be a nation of leaders.
Lets be a nation of innovators. Lets take this technology which is coming, regardless of what we say or do, and be world leaders to create new jobs for our people.
Regarding CO2. I don’t know for sure if it is going to be the problem. Methane is many times more effective in trapping heat. It could be solar flares or increased volcanic activity. But why sit here and do nothing? Why not try something. Removing the extra CO2 we put in the air may not do anything other than leave cleaner air. Isn’t clean air a good thing? Isn’t clean water a good thing. I don’t want my kids to grow up a a world where they hear stories of what it was like to be able to go outside and play.
Several years ago NASA scientists sign on to global warming research. An ice age may be coming it may have nothing to do with man. If your wrong we could have done something. If I’m wrong and we tried and failed at least we tried.
Less C)2 in the air retards plant growth – remember that plants breathe in CO2 to produce air and we exhale Co2. That’s called balance, something greens have no idea of.
NASA temp matches proved then – if you looked at them – that the world was getting colder. They signed onto global warming for political reasons and left the people out in the cold (no pun intended) promoting asinine anti-humanism like ethanol. In 2000 on row of every ten of corn was used for fuel, now it’s 4-5. People are starving for the green pretension.
It is completely unreasonable to maintain that urban liberalism can be maintained indefinitely. Solar panels will not run the coasts, San Francisco’s low flo toilets are already clogging the sewage system and will eventually spread disease.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=%2Fc%2Fa%2F2011%2F02%2F27%2FBAVP1HUSUD.DTL
Anti-hunting regulations have caused an explosion of feral hogs in half the states – which researchers suggest are responsible for most ecoli out breaks.
What’s your reasonable solution? To embrace the green left’s policies will kill you. I’m serious, NYC will starve and freeze if “reasonable” people get their way. Let’s see a real solution – one based on facts not politics. CO2 emissions literally help crop production. Warming the planet – if it were possible – would be the only way to not have a massive die off of people. Green policy is to hasten the collapse of the urban centers they inhabit, then I guess try to loot my house when their children are hungry.
Fact, the Little Ice Age had a temperature variance of point two degrees Celsius to negative point eight degrees celsius from the average. If you base you arguement in fact then all of human history has existed entirely within an Ice Age. We are currently at between point four and point 6 degrees Celsius above average. This means that temperature has raised close to a full degree since 1850, the end of the “Little Ice Age.” Unprecidented chance over the past two thousand years.
The feral pig problem is that pigs are an invasive species with no natural predators. Humans introduced them. They also introduced snakehead fish. Hunting restrictions can’t solve the problem of an invasive species. Look at Australia. They have a multitude of invasive species. They are wiping out native species. It is a real crisis.
In San Francisco they saved 20 million gallons of water. They may need to modify the sewer system to use pressurized seawater to flush out the low flow issues. But in a hundred years it might be criminal to waste that much water.
Solar Panels can work in coastal areas. They can use bimetal mounts to track the sun. No electricity. The coasts also have some of the most consistant winds in the country. They also have access to tidal energy the interrior does not.
By the way, in the Northeast there are rivers that have levels of mercury so high that it is unsafe to eat the fish. I’m sure that is a problem in other areas. Much of the mercury comes from the burning of coal. It would make sense to use natural gas instead of coal to run powerplants.
Hunting needs a middle ground. Look at the buffalo. They were estimated to be at least 30 million before Europeans came. At the begining of the 1800’s there were no more than 1500 left. The current population both wild and privatly owned is 350,000. If our ancestors had looked for middle ground it might still be legal to hunt buffalo like we do white-tails. But I am also infavor of bear hunting,
It is also asinine to maintain an attitude of looting and pilaging and changing whatever we wish and expect that there will be no consequences. They developed crop rotation because they were wearing out the soil. We develope techniques and technology to counteract, stabilize, or improve many facets of life. This is no different.
If global warming is real, to allow the ice caps to melt would mean that the places where 75% of the worlds population live would be underwater. The rate may be slow or fast but if it happens it will be very expensive to loose NYC or LA to the sea.
A solar minimum only becomes an Ice Age causing event if the Earths orbit is more eliptical than it currently is.
If you were alive one hundred years ago if you held the beliefs you do right now there would have been some people who thought you a rebel and a liberal. Liberal, conservative, centrist. These are just labels to confuse the fundamental nature of most people in this country. We do what we think is right.
Politicians take out there scalpels and carve us up into little groups. The main reason for this is to stay in office and get rich. They use abortion, or gay rights, or the green movement, or phoney science to clog up the fact that we have more in common then not. When I was in school I had an interesting lesson in how to read a scientific study. The same study was used to support opposing arguements. We did this with study after study. To me that means quoting any research is messy. That leaves it to us. The reasonable people to figure out how to move forward.
What is your solution? Or is there no problem?
My solution is to prepare for limited food and resources, individually. You can fantasize about global warming but every winter for the next few decades will get colder until we see an environment like we had during the last little ice age – which led to MASS starvation. By the way that’s NASA saying that, not me.
I am experimenting with crops that produce well on a small scale and can stand the cold, I look for good deals on long storing food. I invest not in gold and silver but barter goods. That’s the solution. You can’t save the West – it’s over. The lifestyle you lead now will be impossible to achieve in the next five to ten years. It’s over.
You think you can live in a hip area in a city and keep having enough food for everyone shipped in? You’re wrong. You think the EPA regs on pollution don’t effect small farms and their ability to feed the urban left? Think again. These problems have already done their damage, there is no going back. Your cities will die, the people will wither and freeze and eventually all those people who YOU have taught to expect to be cared for will tear down society when the grocery shelves are empty.
You can’t change what’s coming, you might survive it. Frankly I doubt it. There are riots in some of our cities because people think public sector workers are “entitled” to programs we can’;t afford – what do you think is going to happen when gas is $6/gallon and a loaf of bread is $10?
I don’t live in a hip anything. I think whats the point of living in a future so polluted that humans can’t survive. Oh, and registered Independent baby. It may just be me but the tone of your responces are at least bordering on hostile. Because I have a different opinion then you I’m wrong.
By the way, global warming can cause an Ice Age. If too much fresh water from ice flows in Greenland flood into the North Atlantic it will shut down the North Atlantic conveyor, a current that pulls warm water up along the coast and pull cold water south from the UK. If this happens we’ll return to a true Ice Age not the medieval hiccup we had. It would last thousands of years not a hundred.
We live in a world capable of far more than the poor medieval serf that could not adjust. They did not understand that crops are temperature sensitive. We know what grows where best, the optimal soil PH, how to chemically analyze said soil for optimal fertilizer. We even know world rain and wind patterns.
We can adapt an overcome even a full onset true 10,000 year Ice Age. But if we can stop it we should try. When bread is $10 then GM wheat will seem like a life saver. When gas is $6 a gallon, algae-based biodiesel will be cost effective at $4.50 a gallon. I also figure electric cars will sell a lot better.
NASA is just as political of an agency as the CIA. They have a history of waffling back and forth of sensitive issues like global warming depending on who is in office. The White House, in various administrations, redacts whatever counters the official stand of said administration.
That being said. I have also read articles indicating a large increase in solar flare activity over the next few years possibly exceeding any previously recorded. Feb 17. Largest solar flare in 4 years passed Earth. It is easy to be a doomcrier.
It is much harder to reach toward people you don’t like and say “can we fix this?” If so, how.
The odds are the “cold tolerant” plants you grow won’t survive the shift unless you live in the deep South. Ones that would survive won’t grow in the region yet.
If society collapses, you may be able to delay being in trouble for a time but it will catch up to you. We CAN do something now. It’s great to prepare for natural disasters or loss of income. Many preppers setup solar arrays and windmills with battery banks. They want to be completely off grid. They grow their own food. If every one prepped like this the Green Revolution would be over. We would live a sustainable life in a sustainable world. You are the Green Revolution you just don’t see it.
I do live in the south – I moved here for that reason.
Look – you’re wrong. You cannot avoid the collapse because it already happened. There is no revolution coming, green or otherwise. It is the wolf age as the Volsupa says.
Brothers will fight and kill each other,
sisters’ children will defile kinship.
It is harsh in the world, whoredom rife
—an axe age, a sword age
—shields are riven—
a wind age, a wolf age—
before the world goes headlong.
No man will have mercy on another
Solar arrays will do what? Living off the grid is fine but who’s growing the food? How many windmills can you build before New York freezes? How will food be transported to the cities this summer?
A friend of mine just got a death threat for saying she would vote for Newt Gingrich. The “head” of the Sante Muerte “church” was just arrested for kidnapping – but they can’t find all the people that were kidnapped. I was just sent a story where a man posing as a male model/psychiatrist was able to get dozens of women to molest their own children online – in return for a date.
What exactly is your plan? These people will be part of your sustainable world? Or is the fact that the Western world is destroyed partly due to the same people who you’re counting on to “save” it?
All great civilizations collapse and it’s our turn, and the world will not be better off. Small communities will survive – for a while though many will be consumed. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to live through it. It does mean our energy is better of being used for our families.
By the way – when the electricity is out I don’t pl;an on using backup power – just old fashioned root cellars and oil lamps. You should plan for that too because no solar or wind backup system or off grid system is truly sustainable for a family. How will you produce parts for repairs for example?