60 thoughts on “Popular Pagan Site Posts Death Threat Against Red Alerts!”

1. I’d be more scared if they could actually…you know…spell.

2. Yeah, I’m terrified to feel his “wroth.”

3. They do make an argument for school choice. The public school system has failed them miserably.

4. If you ask me, this Peter Stoned Warlock, the Wannabe Knight, is only attempting to bring more trouble to Pagan Space. He was once, for a brief time, an Admin of Pagan Space until he was removed for his power trip. I believe Ms. Price needs to see both of your posts and his comments and understand what he is instigating.

   Rob, you may be angry with Pagan Space for allowing the endangerment of young teen girls for so long, and rightfully so. I understand that and at least now something is being done. I am hoping due to them seeing the error of their past tolerance to rule breaking. But I believe in your law suit against this (and it twists my stomach to utter the word) “man”, which I have no doubt after knowing you as long as I have that you are quite serious in filing, you shouldn’t include Ms. Price. She removed his comments, though it may have been for fear of legal issues, though he continues.

   He was removed as Admin, he left angrily with his tail between his legs, and as soon as Ms. Price and her site come under fire, he returns to stir the pot. Then, when she removes his comments, he comes here and does it again.

   Do what you will to him. Do what you will to Pagan Space. That is your right especially after they have threatened you. I think, however, you should reconsider mixing the two because it seems someone is attempting to make you a pawn in his spiteful and childish game. What other reason would he have to be taking up a fight he really cares nothing about, and using such blatantly illegal means in open forum?

5. Meh. Starrfire saw the coments and let them stand until I cc’d here on my complaint to Ning. She’s happy to let me be slandered, she’ll be happy to come to court.

6. All sex offenders deserve their computer rights to be taken away for life. There is nothing in our Constitution that states they are allowed or not allowed to be on the Internet like this.

7. Exactly. The Constitution doesn’t give you the right to lurk on the Internet trolling for victims.

8. Rob Taylor,

   What is wrong with these people?

9. Rob, I see your point. It’s a shame they have allowed themselves to be so vulnerable to someone like “him”. (I throw up a little in my mouth everytime I have to acknowledge this person is of the human race.)

   mah29001: Damn straight!!!

   Damien: I’ve tried to answer that, myself. I’m usually very good at profiling people. That question is an enigma I just cannot wrap my head around. Perhaps it should be they to ask themselves that question every night when they go to bed.

10. Need any more friends to help you divert attention from the REAL issue Rob? Get them to throw even more insults at me? Try and get all the people on Red-Alerts to back you up with misleading headers like “Popular Pagan Site Posts Death Threat Against Red Alerts”? Post some irrelevant archive material as `proof’ of this?
    Let’s examine that material Rob. No mention of `Red Alerts’, no mention of Rob Taylor, no mention of your banned organization PACA. No mention of a date that it was posted Rob. Try as I may, I just cannot find the word `DEATH’ anywhere there. But, then again, I can’t spell, so maybe I’m overlooking it.
    Now why would Rob Taylor (and friends) go to SO much trouble to discredit ME? Could it be that Rob Taylor does not like people that don’t agree blindly with what he says? People that, contrary to what SMP has said, actually have got the `stones’ to question Rob Taylor?

    Now the question arises. Why would Rob Taylor (and friends) go to SO much trouble to avert attention from his original post? Could it be that I struck a nerve when I asked Rob Taylor to show his OWN replies to the topic? Oh yes, I almost forgot. His replies were deleted by the conspiracy. Now I ask myself why would poor innocent Rob Taylor’s replies be deleted and the accused party, Ken, still have HIS replies on record? Does not make sense does it? The accusation that Ken deleted Rob’s replies makes even less sense. The excuse that was then offered that by posting ALL the replies, the readers here at Red Alert would be bored and not interested in your replies. May I suggest that the readers on Red Alert have the right to decide for themselves. They do not need you to make decisions on their behalf. Unlike me, they are NOT idiots. They ARE able to think for themselves.

    Now Rob. No more insults, no more smokescreens, no more dodging the issue, no more friends to `protect’ you. Let us see exactly what YOUR involvement in this matter is. POST THOSE REPLIES – ALL OF THEM.

11. Peter, if you’re so sure that Ken didn’t delete those comments that were posted to his page before they even made it to screen, why go straight to the source? Why not ask Ken for screen shots of the posts and post them here yourself? I mean, I’ve never saved the comments I posted to the pages of others, it doesn’t make sense. Do you?

12. Peter: I believe your main problem comes from the inability to fully comprehend the English language and what has been told to you time and time again (Being in South Africa, or Florida, not being the issue with your lackluster reading skills.)

    Let me break this down for you in short-bus terms:

    1. A member of Pagan Space posted a discussion to incite everyone’s bitterness toward PACA, though it was worded in such a way not to mention PACA but to use snippets of a recent run in with PACA members in which she wasn’t treated as the doe-eyed victim of society for which she was hoping.

    2. As soon as her trick was revealed, members of Pagan Space became angry with being used, which caused a few of them to lash out at her and in turn, made her apparent boy-toy Ken rush in for the figurative kill.

    3. Ken, who was quite bitter that members of PACA had removed him from their friends lists and then from PACA after he had made unseemly remarks regarding PACA, began to antagonize PACA members on the forum thread though he had not previously been negatively approached by any of them.

    No organization, as Pagan Space has shown, need tolerate a besmirching of their name by its own members. Therefore, it has every right to remove said members as well as cease to associate on a personal level with said members.

    4. After leaving several threats on Rob’s page, Dodia Fae’s page, and attempting to do so on others pages, Rob defended himself with scathing replies on Ken’s page. (I find such behavior quite High School Musical on Ken’s part, but then he does seem to like the youth mentality.)

    5. As soon as Rob would comment to Ken in reply to one of his degenerate remarks, Ken would promptly remove Rob’s reply. One can only assume he didn’t want any of his friends questioning the comments and following the link to Rob’s page to see his ugly behavior.

    6. I was e-mail chatting with Rob and other PACA members at the time of all of this. I was following the situation as it was unfolding. I saw for myself what was going on as well as Rob’s own questions to Ken as to why he was removing the comments.

    7. This is Red-Alerts.com. Perhaps you missed that as you stumbled haphazardly into what you fearfully discovered was unfriendly territory. Therefore, the owner of Red-Alerts.com can do as he chooses with what comment proof he has. I, myself, have not posted near the 300+ screenshots that are available to me as it would take far too much room and become more of a show and tell “There, you see?!” instead of awareness to the issues at hand. Those screen shots that we all have available to us are for law enforcement purposes first and foremost. Showing we have the evidence to those being led to believe otherwise comes second.

    8. The ISSUE has always been the safety of children. Not what predators and their defenders or unintentional supporters think of us. Certainly not the likes of you.

    Those involved in PACA have endured a hefty load of bullshit from the Pagan Space community for simply making predatory behavior seen for what it was and for exposing a REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER when Admin knew of him but did nothing about it. Yet, PACA continued on regardless of the insults and threats by these miscreants and criminals until they were forced to leave.

    Rather than admit PACA was right, the powers that be there chose to remove the reminder there was a problem on their site and make others feel as if PACA was the only trouble there. I believe once you have removed those shades of martyrdom you can see for yourself the only one throwing up a smokescreen was that site.

    Your problem here is that you quickly discovered your childish antics that worked so well for you on easily-duped Pagan Space members (until your forced removal) would not work on actual intellectuals.

    Get this through your head, Peter Stone Warlock: The rest of society does not function as do your Pagan Space friends. The rest of society acknowledges the problems of child sexual abuse and sexual predators that exist on EVERY social networking site on the net. This is made abundantly clear when members of a site defend published instruction manuals on child rape and molestation – with foreign objects as well as gang rape and genitalia mutilation.

    You came here believing you would find support for defending a site which has been shown to have members behaving this way and you found yourself lost in a sea of anti-child abuse support instead. Your words would have found more of a home at NAMBLA. After all, those men attack anti-pedo’s using many of the same words you have as your many recent personalities.

    Good people do not behave as you and your ilk. Good people know disturbing and disgusting criminal behavior like that of online predators when they see it. I see it is difficult for you to understand this.

    Furthermore, no one is averting attention from the original post. Again, this is Red-Alerts.com. Not Peter Stoned Warlock’s Web of Dumbfuckery.

    Rob Taylor posts regularly here about a variety of issues that concern the world. Again, not the little world to which you believe all people think and behave like you and your cohorts.

    You’re upset that he exposed your threats and has a case against you. It’s as simple as that. Don’t attempt to manipulate the regular readers of Red-Alerts (some of whom don’t even agree with Rob most times but I am quite certain would agree with him on the child endangerment issue). You will find the minds cultivating here are not as feeble and pliable as those to which you are accustomed.

13. THANK YOU. Now we are getting somewhere.
    First off, DodiaFae. I suspect that you may have meant your remark as sarcasm however, I concur. It does NOT make sense. THANK YOU. Now we are getting somewhere.
    First off, DodiaFae. I suspect that you may have meant your remark as sarcasm however, I concur. It does NOT make sense.
    Contrary to what you may believe, I do NOT know Ken nor do I want to `know’ him. Certain comments that he made on an unrelated topic caused me to send him my E-mail address with the request that he contact me. He refused. He subsequently posted a topic in which he asked the Pagans on PaganSpace why I would want to see him. Does not make sense. Why not contact me and find out? After he, and others, threw a few insults in my direction, he deleted the topic. Why? Does not make sense.
    You tell me that Ken deleted topics on the profile page. This, judging from what I have said above, is quite possible. A possible misunderstanding here on my part. I was talking about the replies to the topic under dispute, not Rob’s profile page. If the deletions were on the profile page, what you have said DOES make sense. Thank you.

    SMP. Is there any way that you could actually contemplate giving an answer without the irrelevant insults? True, my comprehension of the English language may not be as good as yours, but bear in mind that I have only been `studying’ the language for less than a year now. It is not my primary language. In fact it is only 18th on my list.
    That said, your points 1 to 8 have now gone a long way to answering my question. Thank you. Now you have shed light on the subject.
    “The issue has always been the safety of the children”. YES! I could not agree more. Now I have a question for you. What makes you think that PACA was the only concerned party? A second question. What makes you think that there were not groups of individuals pretending to be concerned about children’s safety that were, in fact, the actual predators? Well, the second question has already been answered by Rob. You were aware of these groups. In fact, you were aware of their criminal records as well.

    Now, the million dollar question. Do you, who have taken me to task on Red Alerts, and any other PACA member, have criminal records? Not that I am aware of. Are any of YOU pedophiles? Not that I’m aware of. Were you the only ones to get banned from PaganSpace? Certainly not. I estimate that about 1 000 members were banned. So why jump to the conclusion that my posts were directed at YOU?
    Let me see if I can answer that. “Those involved in PACA have endured a hefty load of bullshit…..”. No argument there. Has this now made you so bomb-shocked that you immediately presume that anything not directly supporting you, is an attack against you? Hell’s bells. You are not the only ones that can `see’ a pedophile with a criminal record.
    In conclusion. I was not forcibly removed from PaganSpace. I left on my own accord. Why? PACA were not the only ones that received a load of natural fertiliser.

14. “SMP. Is there any way that you could actually contemplate giving an answer without the irrelevant insults? “

    I respond according to the respect one deserves, and after your quite clear threats toward PACA members were made on a public forum, your defamation, your illegal claims you had delved into any one’s personal lives to gather personal contact information, whereabouts, and so forth, one such as you deserves little-to-no respect. Trust me when I say you have been receiving a good deal more respect from me than you should have thus far.

    Yes, many have been banned from many sites. Guess what? Since the banning of PACA and PACA members – which took place within 5 minutes (Coincidence? I think not.) – members of the network PACA who were also still members of Pagan Space were banned. (Coincidence? I think not.)

    As for our reasonable theory you were referring to PACA, you listed the very arguments the anti-PACA crowd was muttering on that post and discussions throughout PaganSpace. You said yourself you’ve been watching the goings on there, even if not a member. Therefore, elementary my dear fellow leads the wise to the truth of the recipients of your attack.

    English is your 18th language? Sweety, you make me giggle!

    Please, don’t now come here to pretend you are Ken’s victim. I mean, honestly. You’ve attacked Rob and PACA relentlessly in first the PaganSpace comments then your comments on his previous post about this and Ken, and now this one.

    Admittadly, you have the right to comment on a post that involves you directly. However, the proof is in the pudding (screen shots, as it were) and in your own defamation through your own comments on this and the previous post. You can claim the comments on Pagan Space were not about PACA and Rob, but that became null and void once you made similar accusations here on Rob Taylor’s own site.

    By the way, Klingon is not a recognized language of Earth.

15. 18th Language? One would assume that a person who spoke that many languages would be smart enough to know that I can see his, and Knights of Christ, IP address when they post comments here.

    As for your ass-covering mincing. I have the screenshots, PACA has the thread saved in toto (that’s Latin, one of the many languages you speak I’m sure) so pretending that your comments were about someone else, when in context they couldn’t be and I am the only male with a blog who has written negative posts about PS is asinine to say the least.

    As for needing friends to talk with you. Sorry Pete but at 10:30am I’m not on the web. I’m either eating breakfast or lying in bed on a lazy Sunday. But I need not work hard to discredit you; your nonsense does that well enough. This post used you to illustrate the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of modern Neo-paganism. It also was a response to YOU slandering ME and Starrfire allowing it. Unlike unimportant people who troll threads, I rely on my reputation to make a living. Ergo, defamatory rumors about me are dealt with quickly and with much litigation.

    As for “the conspiracy” you keep yammering about-grow up. The conspiracy here is you trying to cover your ass after you got an angry email from your buddies at PS, no doubt. Tell your friends that until a PUBLIC retraction of your lies is printed they are continuing to slander me even after taking your comments down by allowing the lie to go unchallenged. The gods only know what other outrageous slanders they are even now tossing around.

    Why don’t you tell me who you were threatening to curse? Who is it that you have the home addresses and work info on? One of a thousand people? Outrageous. Do you even read your own writings?

    I’m happy for the traffic, but frankly if you expect me to continue entertaining you you’re delusional. We’ll see how many friends on PS you have left after I drag them to court. And perhaps we can see how arrogant you are when I notify that government of yours that you’ve sent threats over the Internet. I hear South Africa isn’t as conducive to Warlockery as America.

16. “Yes, many have been banned from many sites.” Now I demonstrate my inability to understand English. Are you saying that at the time of the PACA (and members) banning on PaganSpace, that other Sites also banned PACA members?
    What I understand you saying is that not only were PACA (the Group) and all members of that Group banned, but members of the PACA network were also banned. This seems like an awful lot of members to be involved in a single disputed discussion.

    “…the very arguments that the anti-PACA crowd were muttering…”. What argument is this? That it was a sad day? That there was no alternative other than to remove the minors from the Site? Well, would you not agree that there was no alternative? The law states that minors may not be members. A sad day? It is indeed a sad day when the only way to protect our children from predators, is to do them the injustice of banning them. It’s just not bloody fair, is it?

    Ken’s victim? Now why would you think that I was Ken’s victim? My English may be poor, but it certainly is not THAT poor. I was agreeing with DodiaFae, and citing a reason why I agreed with her. Perhaps I should have written in Klingon. You may have understood it better.

    So you think that 18 languages is worth a giggle? You are really going to get a good laugh out of THIS one. South Africa alone has 11 official languages. Hilarious learning them all.

    Jokes aside and fight aside. This has nothing to do with the topic in hand.
    SA is only now really coming on to the Internet. Predators have not yet had a chance to establish themselves on the SA `line’. What are the chances that an organization (PACA style) could act as watchdog and prevent them from getting onto the SA scene?

17. “Yes, many have been banned from many sites.” Now I demonstrate my inability to understand English. Are you saying that at the time of the PACA (and members) banning on PaganSpace, that other Sites also banned PACA members?
    What I understand you saying is that not only were PACA (the Group) and all members of that Group banned, but members of the PACA network were also banned. This seems like an awful lot of members to be involved in a single disputed discussion. Food for thought indeed.

    “…the very arguments that the anti-PACA crowd were muttering…”. What argument is this? That it was a sad day? That there was no alternative other than to remove the minors from the Site? Well, would you not agree that there was no alternative? The law states that minors may not be members. A sad day? It is indeed a sad day when the only way to protect our children from predators, is to do them the injustice of banning them. It’s just not bloody fair, is it?

    Ken’s victim? Now why would you think that I was Ken’s victim? My English may be poor, but it certainly is not THAT poor. I was agreeing with DodiaFae, and citing a reason why I agreed with her. Perhaps I should have written in Klingon. You may have understood it better.

    So you think that 18 languages is worth a giggle? You are really going to get a good laugh out of THIS one. South Africa alone has 11 official languages. Hilarious learning them all.

    Jokes aside and fight aside. This has nothing to do with the topic in hand.
    SA is only now really coming on to the Internet. Predators have not yet had a chance to establish themselves on the SA `line’. What are the chances that an organization (PACA style) could act as watchdog and prevent them from getting onto the SA scene?

18. Your comments just went up Peter, because you’ve ended up on the Spam Karma Blacklist. You’ve probably been blacklisted by someone you’ve been bothering. I restored all your comments although it was a pain in the ass, like you.

    Please stop filling in the URL field if you don’t have a site.

19. Peter, this is getting tiresome. Really. You accused me of not respecting you but all this attention I have been giving you IS respect. Most people would have stopped receiving my replies long ago. I ask that if this is not for some legitimate intention of understanding for the outcome of good will, you will please stop replying to me. That being said, here we go again…..

    “Yes, many have been banned from many sites.” Now I demonstrate my inability to understand English. Are you saying that at the time of the PACA (and members) banning on PaganSpace, that other Sites also banned PACA members?

    No, I meant generally speaking individuals are banned from internet sites all the tiime.

    What I understand you saying is that not only were PACA (the Group) and all members of that Group banned, but members of the PACA network were also banned. This seems like an awful lot of members to be involved in a single disputed discussion. Food for thought indeed.

    Okay, the PACA group on Pagan Space was banned. The group itself. Then, the PACA Administrators. Next came people who were members of Pagan Space and also members of the network PACA. Say you were a member of PaganSpace.net and also were a member of PagansAgainstChildAbuse.net. You would probably be banned from PaganSpace. This has happened for a fact.

    “…the very arguments that the anti-PACA crowd were muttering…”. What argument is this? That it was a sad day? That there was no alternative other than to remove the minors from the Site? Well, would you not agree that there was no alternative? The law states that minors may not be members. A sad day? It is indeed a sad day when the only way to protect our children from predators, is to do them the injustice of banning them. It’s just not bloody fair, is it?

    I was referring to around Pagan Space for a bit there were certain individuals who loathed PACA’s very existence. They began calling PACA members sick people, saying PACA members were the pedophiles and predators for thinking the way they did. I suppose in their minds, only a pedophile can catch a pedophile. I suppose they are, then, accusing all members of CPS, NCMEC, the sex offender registry publishers, the FBI, law enforcement, judges who find them guilty, jurors who find them guilty, and all other anti-pedophilia types of being closet pedophiles.

    So, when you said what you did seemingly about PACA members, it was somewhat repetitive of what had been said of PACA members for many weeks by those PACA had exposed of predatory behavior as well as those who were angry it was interfering with their rose-colored world.

    No, it isn’t fair that an Admin of a site would prefer to ban innocent children who have harmed no one and hurt families who enjoyed their time together on a site they had in common in lieu of admitting there is a problem with predators and removing those displaying the dangerous behavior. You are 1,000% correct. It isn’t fair at all. But again, PACA is being blamed for that new rule. Is that fair?

    Ken’s victim? Now why would you think that I was Ken’s victim? My English may be poor, but it certainly is not THAT poor. I was agreeing with DodiaFae, and citing a reason why I agreed with her. Perhaps I should have written in Klingon. You may have understood it better.

    Due to your comments about how he is treating you. It just seems odd to me that you attacked Rob and defended Ken firstly, then when all the facts came out, you were suddenly in favor of Rob and were being – as you indicated – attacked by Ken as Rob was. It just seemed “convenient” to me.

    LOL Yeah, I’m sorry about the Klingon remark. That was a bit catty.

    So you think that 18 languages is worth a giggle? You are really going to get a good laugh out of THIS one. South Africa alone has 11 official languages. Hilarious learning them all.

    I’ve heard a lot of exaggerated claims on the net. “I speak (insert outrageous number here) languages” is one of them. My apologies if you do but you’ll understand my hesitation to believe an online person.

    Jokes aside and fight aside. This has nothing to do with the topic in hand.
    SA is only now really coming on to the Internet. Predators have not yet had a chance to establish themselves on the SA `line’. What are the chances that an organization (PACA style) could act as watchdog and prevent them from getting onto the SA scene?

    Unfortunately, you will never see that happen. Predators are everywhere and a lot of them have their servers in countries that allow pedophilia. So even if you remove their presence on a particular site, you will not get them removed from the net.

    There is a global push to force these countries to obey international boundaries. In other words, a child rapist that is legally protected in Thailand can legally be arrested for child rape in America should he come here for a visit. So, why not make it that they cannot stretch their filth across internet domains that are based and visited by countries that forbid it? These countries that allow child rape and pedophilia would then be forced to choose between the laws that protect child abuse and the financial impact closing their net lines off to the rest of the world would cause. This then would protect not only children outside of their borders but inside as well!

    The only thing we can do right now, and SA can do right now, is to continue to fight when we see the behavior and speak up at UN meetings and other global gatherings about this. Amnesty International takes on this fight daily, as well.

    As for as domestic predators of countries where it IS forbidden, their days are numbered as more and more people are getting sick and tired of their freedoms being limited to cater to the sensitivities of the online pedophile.

    I know you claim to be on our side in all of this. You don’t know how much I wish that were true. Really. I just cannot get passed your personal insults, the games you have played (Knight of Christ?), and your definite odd behavior throughout your varied comments.

    Do you know how tiring it is to not be able to trust someone because you know how much it will hurt if and when you discover they are one of the bad guys? I can’t trust you, Peter, simply because of your past behavior, your threats, and your dangerous attitude. I’m sorry but it’s the way it will be. I do hope very much you are telling the truth about caring about the abuse children suffer. Regardless of how I feel about you or you about me, the only ones I care about are the kids that I know you could protect if you sincerely care.

20. Hey, I love your blog and I am really sorry that you have to go through all of this. I appreciate and support you choosing to take these low life idiots to court for defamation of character. The only way all of this idiocy is going to stop is if the silent majority stops being silent and stands up for what they believe in, not just online, but in court and in person. Best of luck! Illegitimi non carborundum (Don’t let the bastards grind you down)!

21. “….legitimate intention of understanding for the outcome of goodwill…”
    YES IT IS!!!! Allow me to put it to you this way.
    I am a naturally aggressive person. I tend to explode at the slightest hint of an insult. Full knowing that I have had personal issues with PACA (before DodiaFae’s time) and that Rob Taylor, after the beating that he and PACA took, would be highly suspicious of any `outsider’ attempting any form of communication, I still entered this potentially hostile area. The reception that I received was a lot `warmer’ than even I had expected. Notwithstanding the insults, I held myself in check, fully believing that my personal discomfort is a small price to pay for the `Cause’. This Cause is the protection of the children. To this end I can `go it alone’ but I would prefer to have allies, friendly or otherwise. We do have a common goal, let us not loose sight of that.
    Something that I considered rather humorous at first, has now become a point of contention and a base for mistrust. The Knights! Allow me to explain.
    Very few people in SA can afford the monthly costs of a personal Internet. I run a business which necessitates the use of the Internet. I have a contract with my server which allows me 10GB free Internet usage per month, on a `use it or loose it’ basis. My business uses less than 1GB. The rest is at the disposal of my clients and their friends after hours. Literally hundreds of people `hitch a ride’ on my modem, hense the identical IP addresses. Yes, I know who these idiots are (Legion SA), and now unfortunately they know who I am. I don’t mind you calling me “Knight”. It irritates the hell out of THEM.

    Trust? In light of everything that has happened recently, I cannot blame you for any mistrust. Trust is something that must be earned, and I have not earned your trust. Bear in mind the fact that you have not earned my trust either. So, by all means, let us agree to mistrust one another until the future proves otherwise. Let us not allow this mistrust to work to the advantage of the real enemy, the child molester. At least allow us to agree on that point.
    For what it’s worth, bear in mind that after my personal war with the original moderator of PACA, I resigned from the Group to prevent the possibility of any more damage to the Group.

22. lol no lives lol

23. Peter-That’s a lot of backpedaling. And mostly nonsense.

    Abdul-like some douche in Jersey pretending to be a jihadi has a better life. Why read through it all if you’ve got something better to do.

    evilmommylady-Thanks and welcome. Love your blog.

24. How very interesting. As a new member to PS I seem to of missed all the action. I have to ask this question though. Has any pedophiles been convicted that entrapped their victims off of PS?

25. Druidoak: No PACA member ever accused anyone on Pagan Space of being a pedophile. Let’s get that straight right now.

    Only one person on Pagan Space that was known to PACA as a convicted sex offender was outspoken on his profile about being a registered sex offender. He made three little girls give him oral sex (all under the age of 10) and wasn’t even supposed to be on any site that allowed under age users. He acknowledged this on his Pagan Space profile page as well as comments he left on under age girls pages (15 and 16) AND in private e-mails to PACA members. All of that information was turned over immediately to the Florida law enforcement where he was listed and they passed on the information to his parole officer. The PACA member who had personal communications with them received a confirmation of this.

    As for anyone PACA suspected of meeting teens offline, those men, screen shots of their inappropriate behavior – like suggesting to meet offline – and links to all of their activities with underage girls on the site were turned over to NCMEC as well as the local law enforcement agencies where the men as well as the girls they wanted to meet were located.

    What happened on that end, PACA is not legally privy to. Law enforcement does not have an obligation, legal or otherwise, to keep informants and its sanctioned volunteers posted on every move they make and the outcome. Informants can request the information but if it becomes an ongoing case, law enforcement cannot, under any circumstance, comment as to the outcome unless the informant/volunteer is needed as a witness.

26. Wouldn’t know myself. Nor would I know if the guys i called the cops on when I lived in the Bronx for beating up someone outside of a bar did time. I don’t need to keep score like that to do the right thing. I report things I see to the authorities if warranted, and I provide my personal analysis on these things.

    I’m more interested in whether I can sleep at night then whether there is some outcome I can take credit for. I hope that info I’ve passed on and the things I have published have an effect. But I’ve done my part, it’s up to Law Enforcement to do the rest.

27. “I’m more interested in whether I can sleep at night then whether there is some outcome I can take credit for. “

    Well said, Rob. Well said.

28. “I have to ask this question though. Has any pedophiles been convicted that entrapped their victims off of PS?”

    Do we really have to wait for that to happen, for a child to be victimized and for it to become known publicly (via news reports, because lets face it, that’s the only way we’d ever find out. PS certainly wouldn’t let anyone know if that did happen.) before we say anything about suspicious behavior?

    The behaviors we reported to the site owner, Admins, LE, and NCFMEC are all behaviors that are KNOWN by LE and the NCFMEC to be used in online grooming. So NO, we do not WAIT for a child to be victimized. Our purpose is PREVENTION. This “wait and see” attitude about child safety is not even programmed into my DNA.

29. DodiaFae: Absolutely correct!

    Also, I have to correct a misstatement I made in my last post. The victims of the RSO were 6, 8, and 12.

30. And the plot thickens. Rob I have looked at other parts of your site and read some of your commentary on various subjects. Some of it was funny, but for the most part I found it reactionary, inflammatory and full of character assassination. But hey, this is America right. Freedom of speech and all that. You paint your landscapes with a very broad brush indeed.

    One of the things I found interesting is that you seem to have a very big problem with Wicca and people of that spiritual path. You have several articles pointing out the bad actions of a few as proof of the failing of the whole. The most predominate being your anti-PaganSpace crusade. So you found one RSO, that is one out of how many members and a few dirty old men. The site Admins did not handle the problem the way you thought they should, so you with your ever at the ready broad paint brush portray the whole Pagan community as perverts, pedophiles and degenerates. It looks to me like you were Wiccan at one time and your ego got stepped on, so now your on a vendetta.

    You do have some valid points about Wicca and the way it is set up and the way people use it to further their own agenda, the Frost’s are but one example. But lets get real here, they are a relatively small part of the Pagan community and an even smaller part of humanity in general. Wicca has only been around 69 years or so. If you want to go after an organization that has been around a real long time, about 1,975 years, has millions of members, 80% of Americas claim it as their religion, as of the last census, try Christianity, those folks have been raping, killing, promoting pedophilia for a very long time.

    The last point of interest I have is your use of the phrase “Judeo-Christian moral values” in one of your tirades. No true pagan I know could use that term with a straight face. So it is my feeling that you and your crew here are what I like to call Christians in Pagan clothing. So why not turn your ever watchful eye toward your own kind. There are a lot more predators on the Christian sites than the Pagan ones.

31. What piffle. I’ve been very clear that I was a Wiccan (as a teen) and now I’m a polytheist. My “ego” wasn’t stepped on to get me to leave, it so happened I got a degree in Comparative Religion which made me realize how unserious Wiccans are. Few practice Witchcraft or magick (I’ll use the K here to make an example) but worse few know anything about religion at all.

    How many times have you heard nonsense passed around as truth in Wicca? Bast as the goddess of Lesbians, the “three fold law” and the ancient matriarchy. All made up from whole cloth. And those are just three things I found in a Llewellyn book I’ve dusted off to write that. The same book.

    I didn’t find an RSO (others can take credit for that) but what I saw were several men grooming teen girls and inviting them to become “craft daughters” and other such nonsense. Sorry “Druidoak” (talk about fragile egos, you won’t even post under a real name!) but I’ve seen that show before. As have you no doubt. I also saw teens joining discussions about sex with adults (take that sentence either way and it’ll be true) PS members posting pro-pedophilia propaganda from people like Lindsay Ashford (a man who claims babies as young as 6 months can consent to sex) and polyamory advocates friending teen girls.

    Nothing that would concern you since you’re so concerned over these rampaging Christians who are raping, pillaging and killing. Why, it’s almost as impossible for you to leave your underground bunker to get supplies I’m sure. There is nothing more childish and petulant sounding than some guy sitting around on the computer and Internet that Western Civilization (which is based on Judeo-Christian morality) provides him claiming to be oppressed by that same society. Cry me a river, people stare at you when you walk out of Hot Topic.

    It’s funny you’re claiming I’m a secret Christian (or is it secret Jew?) based largely on my appreciation for the modern world in which we both thrive which is based on Judeo-Christian culture, all the while making the point that I should “judge not lest I be judged” although not quite as succinctly. Sans the law of the land, firmly rooted in Christian society, I’d gladly follow the old ways and offer criminals, including pedophiles, to the Gallowtyr. It is the Christians you claim to fear that protect you from real pagans, people like myself who know the way to the old gods’ hearts is through our enemy’s funeral pyres.

    But of course you’re saying I’m just pretending to be a pagan because it helps me with my credibility … to my mostly Conservative audience. As with most things Wiccan your theory doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. But Surprise! I don’t care. Tell all your friends at your next Charmed viewing party that I’m a secret Christian if you want. Unlike Wiccans my identity isn’t tied into acceptance by some group of overweight women with Harry potter fantasies.

    I would like to see the evidence that the modern Christians in America are promoting pedophilia. Do send it along.

    As a bit of personal advice to you I’d suggest that since your live and let live philosophy is much more in line with Christians than pagans, you should re-think your stance on how terrible they are. After all you’re basically stealing their philosophy much the way Atheists steal from Anton LaVey and Crowley. By putting forward the view that I should be charitable to Wicca you are promoting the most wicked and evil idea any religion has ever taught, including Christianity. That is that good people remain silent when confronted with evil.

    One day you will have a child. At 15 they will meet a man who will offer to be their “craft father” and initiate them in the so-called Great Rite. Then you’ll be the one being called a Christian by Wiccans, for daring to believe there is such a thing as right and wrong.

32. “Druidoak”,
    Maybe you didn’t answer my last question to you because I didn’t put your name in my post…

    I’m not Christian. I have nothing against Christians. Some very near and dear to me are Christian, but I’m not Christian. I’d also like to point out that raping, killing, and pedophilia are problems that are much, much older than Christianity.

    So, what exactly is the problem you have with me (and/or other Pagans) doing what we can to protect those children who are on Pagan sites? Why do you feel we have to wait until a child comes to harm before speaking up? Are we supposed to use the children as bait, waiting for a predator to strike, or ignore the situation all together?

    We found one RSO *that we know of*. That does not mean that none of the (more than a few) other “dirty old men” weren’t RSO’s. And in my experience, the majority of “dirty old men” will do more than talk dirty, even to a young girl, if they think they can get away with it. And not only did the site admins not handle the problem the way any of us believed it should have been handled, they did not handle the problem AT ALL until it was brought out into the light for everyone to see. Then the “dirty old men” simply made their pages private.

    BTW, your style of “discussion” is very familiar for someone who only just joined PS.net…

33. Druidoak: “So you found one RSO, that is one out of how many members and a few dirty old men. The site Admins did not handle the problem the way you thought they should, so you with your ever at the ready broad paint brush portray the whole Pagan community as perverts, pedophiles and degenerates.”

    Some of those “few dirty old men” were arranging meetings and yes, one indicated to a 15 year old that he would see her, followed up by a comment from her days later that they did, in fact, meet. Rest assured, those have been turned into law enforcement, too.

    I do not see anyone here portraying “the whole Pagan community as perverts, pedophiles and degenerates”. Rather that one particular website that plays host to all Pagans, including wannabe Wiccans and the ever-so fashion-statement-Satanist, harbors such people and rushes to their aid when they are attacked by anyone who can see predatory behavior from a mile away, which became quite a nuisance to those wishing to keep it under wraps.

    Your entire post smacks of the same distractionary tactic seen over and over on that site when any valid argument in contradiction to certain members would appear. The primary issue concerns the safety of minors on a site that cared nothing for monitoring their presence and fails to this day to acknowledge there were serious threats to them.

    “Wicca has only been around 69 years or so. If you want to go after an organization that has been around a real long time, about 1,975 years, has millions of members, 80% of Americas claim it as their religion, as of the last census, try Christianity, those folks have been raping, killing, promoting pedophilia for a very long time.”

    Are you suggesting we leave Wicca to its sex cult gathering and focus elsewhere simply because it is a newer religion? Happy to disappoint because that won’t happen. As Rob said, do please find an example of Christianity promoting pedophilia. Do please list here any religious book that instructs like that of the Frosts how father’s molesting their daughters in a “sacred bath” and later raping them with a “sacred phallus” to ready them for a gang rape ritual is a requirement to belong to any religion other than Wicca.

    I, myself, have seen silly “satanists” claim human sacrifice was a fun prospect and even threaten others on message boards at Pagan Space with it.

    Having been raised a Roman Catholic, I was subjected to years of lessons that we should hate and condemn non-Catholics. I was also kept from learning the brutal history of how Catholicism was spread around the world, and if they did bother to teach it to us, it was done in such a way that Rome was doing God’s work. However, nowhere was I taught that in present day “raping, killing, promoting pedophilia” were accepted practices of Catholicism or would be supported for some absurd religious or culture claim, like “tribalism”.

    It’s 2008. Times have changed for the rest of this country but Wicca, “Satanists” (those fakey “dark lord” followers who are simply rebellious Christians, not the other kind who are simply non-believers), and many others speak supportively of rituals we find disturbing today that were said to be part of the “olde ways” but most of which are merely present-day excuses for child rape.

    “So it is my feeling that you and your crew here are what I like to call Christians in Pagan clothing. So why not turn your ever watchful eye toward your own kind. There are a lot more predators on the Christian sites than the Pagan ones.”

    What you are effectively saying is that to be against child abuse, one must be Christian.

    Not all of us are Pagans, true. So what? Do Pagan children deserve less protection than Christian children? Do Pagan children deserve to have Christians look the other way when there is an injustice toward them? Here I thought you were a Pagan, or is it simply a matter of being part of the left for too long to care anymore?

    I am Pagan and if I see a Christian child being assaulted in any way, someone’s getting a swift kick in the ass and a very hard trip to jail.

    There are predators on every online social networking site. Only on Pagan Space did we encounter it in such bold a way and then protected by the members as well as the administrators. Outright predatory behavior, grooming of young girls, friending of a RSO who had it stated almost proudly all over his page, posts defending child pornography like an album cover that was banned in America for clear child porn yet defended tooth and nail on Pagan Space as being “sensual art” (How can anyone justify describing an image of a naked 10 year old girl as “sensual art”??), an outpouring of vehement support for the Frosts’ and their “first amendment right” to publish and teach child rape and molestation handbooks, and even posts defending the FLDS church in Texas and Warren Jeffs, who raped his own nephew. I have yet to see this kind of behavior, especially in as grand a scale as we saw, on any other site that doesn’t openly admit to being a pro-pedophilia site.

    By pushing the issue that caring about child abuse is a “Christian trait”, as many of your fellow Pagan Space users have on so many occasions, the message delivered loud and clear is that not caring about child abuse is a Wicca (and in the case of that site, also Satanist) trait.

    The facts have been laid out plainly and simply. To argue against pure, unadulterated fact, one shows to whom their efforts belong.

34. Druidoaks arguments is exactly what you were speaking about in your post. Amazing. And disgusting.

35. Isn’t it great, Rob, when they prove your case for you?

36. So you want my full title as it were, fine I have nothing to hide.
    Rev. Michael J. Emerson, now Rob and your two in the shadow friends(by the way SMP and DodiaFay your real names please, or do you have fragile egos as well) do you know me any better now than you did when I was still Druidoak?

    Lets see modern examples of degenerate Christian behavior.
    http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/reviews/2006-10-12-evil-review_x.htm
    http://www.crimemagazine.com/03/geoghan,1201.htm
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/07/2210242.htm

    Among 2,252 priests serving over four decades, 39 priests (1.7 percent) apparently abused minors. Only one abuser could be termed a pedophile under the strict, clinical definition of the word – meaning the victim was prepubescent.

    The conservative World magazine says Protestantism faces a “severe problem” of clergy involvement with people the ministers are counseling, calling this “an egregious abuse of power.”
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/659629/posts

    Results 1 – 10 of about 669,000 for Priest pedophiles
    Results 1 – 10 of about 63,800 for Pagan pedophiles

    Wow over 10 times the hits, how very interesting. do you need anymore examples? If you do look them up, there sure is a lot. As for deviant behavior in the ancient cultures, I have yet to find child molestation mentioned in Celtic history prior to Christianity. If you can refute that fact please let me know as I would like to read about it. But the fact is that what has been labeled as deviant behavior by your so wonderful Judeo-Christian moral values, like homosexuality were accepted behavior by most ancient civilizations

    As for your reference Rob to my live and let live attitude you truly do not know paganism nor Druidry very well. If you believe in Karma which is one of the basic cornerstones of most paganism, you know that you can not change what is to be. You might of postponed it for a short time, but it can not be stopped. So you think that you are protecting children, a noble if futile cause, but if it is on the path of those children it is going to happen no matter what you or I do. We are on this plain of existence to learn and pain is one of the great teachers. You know as well as I that there is but one way to truly stop a pedophile and that is death. They can not be cured, they can not be rehabilitated. Once a pedophile always a pedophile. But you know something, because of your wonderful Judeo-Christian moral values we cannot kill pedophiles.

    Popular Pagan Website Allows Pedophiles to Groom Children
    Popular Pagan Site Posts Death Threat Against Red Alerts!
    Pagan Sites Infested With Sexual Predators
    Protecting Pedophiles and Holding Wicca Accountable

    The titles alone are derogatory and inflammatory not to mention the pagan bashing that is printed in those articles.

    So we have broadened the evil pagan list to include not only Wiccans but Satanist also. I’m starting to see a pattern here,

    SMP what path do you follow, and if you say ecliptic that is such a cop out, and you also Dodiafay by the way 78 members on your site, you go girl, your sure lighting up the net with your crusade.

    Rod, lets not forget you, you claim polytheistic, what Gods do you look to for guidance.

    “One day you will have a child. At 15 they will meet a man who will offer to be their “craft father” and initiate them in the so-called Great Rite. Then you’ll be the one being called a Christian by Wiccans, for daring to believe there is such a thing as right and wrong.”

    I’m 50 and have two boys 28 and 26. My partner is 46 and unable to have kids so I will never have to deal with your scenario. But I will tell you that if I ever caught a ped with any grand kids I might in the future have, I would not take the time to ask him about his religion.

37. Way to not read what I wrote.

    A) So you can find Christian pedophiles (I never said you couldn’t) and that excuses Pagans turning a blind eye to pedophilia in the pagan community? Since there are Christians who steal can I rob you?

    B) ALL ancient civilizations accepted Homosexuality? Let me consult my Eddas for the parts where gays were an accepted part of the community.

    C) “Wow over 10 times the hits, how very interesting. do you need anymore examples? If you do look them up, there sure is a lot. As for deviant behavior in the ancient cultures, I have yet to find child molestation mentioned in Celtic history prior to Christianity. If you can refute that fact please let me know as I would like to read about it.” What does this mean? Are you saying pedophilia is only wrong by Christian standards? Really?

    D) Karma is a Hindu/Buddhist concept introduced into Paganism by Gerald Gardner who was both influenced by the orientalism of his time and needed filler for the hack job rip off of Aradia he did. Also your definition of Karma is incorrect.

    But from your definition you’re saying we can’t “change what is to be” so we should sit back and allow bad things to happen. Sounds more like Deepak Chopra than anything else.

    E) I don’t have Judeo-Christian values myself, re-read my earlier post. It is my contention that people like yourself (who call themselves Reverend like a Christian) are protected by those same values you claim to hate so much. I’d gladly kill pedophiles if given the chance. I am however a law-abiding citizen who appreciates living in the greatest country in the world at the greatest time in the world.

    F) I’m not sure you know what derogatory or inflammatory means.

    G) I don’t know what the “ecliptic” path is but I will say that I started out as a Seax-Wiccan, and I now believe in the literal existence of beings we call gods. If you want a list of gods I seek guidance from either from prayer or by example here it goes:

    Woden-who teaches us to seek wisdom and power
    Bast–the protector of mankind and the noble order
    Diana-Queen of the wicked (Check Aradia)

    I also believe strongly in the interaction of man with spirits of various kinds to be beneficial. So no “trad” sorry.

    H) I never said Wiccans were “evil” but I do maintain (no offense to anyone) that Wicca is a scam and the minor leagues of Occultism. If you’re looking to score some pot or have sex with teen girls Wicca’s fine, but for serious exploration of reality it just doesn’t cut it. Any Satanist who claims to be a Pagan is a poseur. I know Satanists. Satanists have been friends of mine. The people of PaganSpace sir are no Satanists.

    I) Dude, you’re 50? Time to grow up a little then, no?

    By the end of your tirade you actually argue against your own points. Is that because you’re position is indefensible?

38. Druidoak: You’re an asshole. I can’t put that any more simply than what it is. Let’s get something straight right now – I don’t owe you a damned thing. You’re the dumbass who wants to post all of your private information online, fine. That’s your business. Again, this is the net and I don’t owe you a damned thing.

    Your pathetic attempts to justify pedophilia are grotesque.

    There are more cases in Christianity than Wicca? Well let’s see, considering there are millions more Christians than Wiccans, no shit. It’s “karma” for a child to be raped if it is to be? Wow. That’s disgusting at best, moronic at least.

    You obviously have no clue what “karma” is. Look that up in a dictionary, my illiterate friend, and while you’re at it please provide a definition for “ecliptic”. No, wait, I’ll do that one for you because it’s just so damned funny:

    eâ‹…clipâ‹…tic
       /ɪˈklɪptɪk/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [i-klip-tik] Show IPA Pronunciation
    –noun
    1. Astronomy.
    a. the great circle formed by the intersection of the plane of the earth’s orbit with the celestial sphere; the apparent annual path of the sun in the heavens.
    b. an analogous great circle on a terrestrial globe.
    2. Astrology. the great circle of the ecliptic, along which are located the 12 houses and signs of the zodiac.
    –adjective Also, e⋅clip⋅ti⋅cal.
    3. pertaining to an eclipse.
    4. pertaining to the ecliptic.

    I’m touched you know I love astronomy so much but really, I don’t currently or have ever belonged to NASA, nor am I a heavenly body (well, I supposed that’s based upon who you ask).

    I’m sure in your own uneducated way, “Reverend” (I almost did a spit take on that one!), you meant to say “eclectic”. Well, “Druid”oak, I realize you don’t understand much about Paganism, so I’ll educate you a bit:

    Paganism covers any spiritual path that is not Christian, Jew, or Muslim. It includes but is not limited to Buddhism, ancient Greek and Norse, Hindu, Wicca, and arguably Satanism – which, by the way, there are two types that I recognize: the one that simply refers to non-believers/conformists of any set path, and followers of the Christian sub god, “Satan”.

    PaganSpace is rather full of the “Look at me! Look at me! I’m a Satanist! All hail Lord Satan! Now where’s my shit-stirring Pentagrams?!” types that are no more Pagan than the Christians who spawned the “dark one” in a moment of mistranslation.

    Take a gander at http://churchofsatanicliberation.net/, the WCSL, of which several members ARE very good friends of mine and wouldn’t dream of harming children or sitting back and allowing children to be harmed simply because, as you say, “if it is on the path of those children it is going to happen no matter what you or I do.” My god that ideal is disgusting!!! How do you fucking sleep at night??? And again, it’s not “karma”. Where did you learn Paganism? Some Fundamentalist anti-Pagan site? Llewellyn Cliff notes?

    Paganism is and always was about following one’s own spiritual journey. It’s about growth and if you refuse to ever seek the council of any other path, you are not a true Pagan but rather a closed minded conformist, who prefers to let others think for you rather than take your own journey. I have taken council in dreams from Anubis as well as Gabriel and Odin, himself. That is what makes me who I am spiritually. Just for the tone you use in mocking my path, you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt you are NO Pagan. Pagans do NOT mock others for their spiritual journeys. Don’t feel so bad. Cliff notes never did me a damned bit of good in High School, either.

    As for my blog titles, well, Wicca does protect pedophiles. Ever read the Frost’s book? Ever read the sections that claim genital mutilation of children – girls and boys – a father molesting his young daughter in a bath, the aiding of daughters at least 10 years of age by fathers and mothers and invited guests in the use of a wooden dildo, exposing them to live sex shows to ‘help them understand” what will be expected of them at the ritualistic group sex at which the Frost’s recommend the adult participants sign a waver in the event of assault charges is all part of what is required to become Wiccan? That IS child rape, molestation, pedophilia.

    Now, go to your precious PaganSpace.net and post a public discussion on how disgusting and vile this book is. See how quickly you are run out of Pagan Space.

    For that book to even be sold by Wiccan book stores, let alone be adhered to, is proof enough Wicca protects pedophiles. Not all Wiccans subscribe to it, no, but the majority in my experience over the past year DO.

    Until you’ve done the research yourself, you haven’t a pot to piss in engaging me in this asinine argument that my titles are “inflammatory”.

    Geez, man. This is America in case you haven’t noticed. Pedo’s and Wiccans aren’t the only ones with the right to free speech. There are blogs all over the net that are anti-some religion or other, including at Pagan Space. In 5 minutes, I can find you 50 anti-Christian blogs. So the hel what? New to the net, are you? New to America, obviously.

    As for your other drivel, Rob covered it pretty damned well and left me with nothing further to say. If I seem angry or impatient, well, good call! I’m sick to death of seeing assholes like you excusing pedophilia as just a minor nuisance with a “if it’s gonna happen, it’s gonna happen so why do any thing at all to stop it?” attitude. It’s repulsive and anyone making such a sinister remark deserves no respect or patience from me.

    “So you think that you are protecting children, a noble if futile cause, but if it is on the path of those children it is going to happen no matter what you or I do. We are on this plain of existence to learn and pain is one of the great teachers. You know as well as I that there is but one way to truly stop a pedophile and that is death. They can not be cured, they can not be rehabilitated. Once a pedophile always a pedophile. But you know something, because of your wonderful Judeo-Christian moral values we cannot kill pedophiles.”

    Unfreakingbelievable! I pity your poor grandchildren, who have less rights in your eyes than pedophiles. You sound just like my parents when I told them at 7 I’d been molested for a year. I was ordered, as a good catholic should, to forgive and forget and have pity for the 60+ year old man, who they didn’t even press charges on. If it were my daughter, I’d have slit his throat – but only after keeping him just barely alive for a week wishing he’d been a blow job.

    I cannot thank you enough for coming here proving every bit of what has been said about the members of PaganSpace.net.

39. “So you think that you are protecting children, a noble if futile cause, but if it is on the path of those children it is going to happen no matter what you or I do. We are on this plain of existence to learn and pain is one of the great teachers. You know as well as I that there is but one way to truly stop a pedophile and that is death. They can not be cured, they can not be rehabilitated. Once a pedophile always a pedophile. But you know something, because of your wonderful Judeo-Christian moral values we cannot kill pedophiles.”

    Just…. Wow. I have no words, only pure contempt for you and anyone who believes, as you do, that children are not worth the effort to protect. You disgust me, and I truly feel sorrow for your children and for any grandchildren you may have in the future. If I were your child, I’d keep you well away from my children.

    As for giving my real name, what are you, on crack? I never asked for yours, and I refuse to give someone who could potentially be a pervert my personal information.

40. Alright the more the merrier, so I used the wrong word I meant eclectic, so shoot me. So American Viking another faceless name on the net with a giant set of cyber-balls. I bet you would not have the real balls to say that to me face to face. You need not reply to that as it will not prove anything. It would be Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing. I have found though that when someone makes such a big deal out of one word being wrong(which obviously you knew what I meant because you corrected me) you are being nit picky in the extreme. So I assume you follow the Norse path, good for you. I have to ask though, that when you and Rob get together is the theme song from Deliverance playing in the back ground.

    Talk about not reading what someone wrote, if I had my way I would kill pedophiles plain and simple,(Is that Pagan enough for you) they cannot be fixed, end of story. As for understanding Paganism, my comprehension is just fine, you on the other hand have no concept of Celtic lore or history, so in that case my advice to you would be”It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought ignorant, than open your mouth and prove it”.

    As far as I can tell and I might be wrong(I have been know to be wrong before, unlike you holier than thou types) but pedophilia was not a major social concern till after the advent of Christianity.

    The word pedophilia originates from the Greek words paidos, meaning child, and philia, meaning love. A pedophile is characterized by sexual attraction to and maybe love for children. The first scientist to use the concept was the German sexologist and physician Richard Krafft-Ebing. In his monograph Psychopatia Sexualis, published in 1886, he defined pedophilia as a psychosexual perversion, open to cure. This was in sharp contrast to the prevailing religious and moral judgment on sexual relations between adults and children. To Krafft-Ebing, pedophilia could be caused by senility or other mental deficiencies. Around 1906, his British counterpart Havelock Ellis presented pedophilia as an extreme version of normal masculine sexuality. Currently, pedophilia is understood as a divergence of personality, caused by psychological damage in early childhood. This concept was rarely used in English before the 1950s.

    Well what do you know, another benefit of Judeo-Christian morals.

    As for your comment DodiaFay, I never used crack, my drug of choice was Scotch and to the accusation that I might be a pervert. I’m sure that by some Christian’s definition of what my girl friend and I do behind closed doors or out in the woods for that matter, is perverted. But trust me when I say that I have seen your picture on your site and your just not my type. So your safe from me any ways. But hey, if you keep your picture posted on the net, I’m sure you will get some admirers sooner or later.

41. DruidJoke: Hey, jackass, you obviously didn’t read everything because then you would have noticed I accidentally (thank you, auto-complete) posted under my Political blog first, then reposted under my Child Abuse Awareness blog, as is more appropriate, so Rob could remove the previous posting. You really are illiterate.

    No, I wasn’t being nitpicky. I was pointing out that in your attempt to insult me and what you assumed was my spiritual path, you made an ass of yourself. Which you did. Another item that zoomed right over your frizzy little head.

    “So I assume you follow the Norse path, good for you.”

    Do they not teach reading and reading comprehension in Northern Virginia? Or is that Ohio? Can’t tell. I mean, your ISP places you in Northern VA but you claim to be in Ohio on your PaganSpace account. And here you are trying to seem like you’re the only upfront one here.

    Anyway, read dumbass. I didn’t say I follow ANY path. Lovely for you to point out is your own assumption rather than actually reading WTF I actually wrote.

    “I have to ask though, that when you and Rob get together is the theme song from Deliverance playing in the back ground.”

    Well, considering you are referring to gay backwoods hillbilly rape, that would be a bit stupid since I’m clearly a woman and Rob is clearly a man. Or is the same comprehension with which you posted comments here and read replies to you the same you used to understand such a borish and simple movie?

    Isn’t this nice. The truth comes out. Your entire 4th paragraph is proof positive on where you stand in regards to pedophilia. Such pro-pedophilia propaganda found on every pedophile-run site on the net and in movements across the country in an attempt to make it legal and “understood”.

    You should have shut up when you still had the chance (which would have been to never comment at all). I think everyone here has your number now, and it’s all the better that you expressed yourself as being a PS user. You just keep right on commenting there, Druidjoke. Every comment you make erases any lingering doubt in anyone’s mind as to our claims of PS as well as today’s “Wicca”.

    Claim Druidism all you like. You sure have become defensive over a site you JUST joined, for people who don’t even follow your path, and for Satanists that you, yourself, have insulted in your comments on PS. Hmmmm….

    And this, ladies and gentlemen, is your prime, grade A example of the mentality and lower intelligence that runs so rampant on that site and so many others – non-Pagan included. This is the kind of person Rob, Dodia, I, and others deal with on a constant basis, but as you can clearly see here, they can’t escape fact or their true nature.

42. Hey, Dodia Fae – You’re (“your” lol) safe from this festering pustule’s desires. However shall you live another day? ROFL!!!

43. Rob, I’m not going to respond here any longer to the ignorant and abhorrent drivel. It speaks loudly enough without participating in it.

    I appreciate all you have done for awareness and it’s been an honor knowing you since I first found your site. Thanks for having me! Now, off to read the awesomeness of the rest of Red-Alerts!

44. Oh Druidoak. You’re making friends everywhere you go.

    Since you claim to have read Red Alerts (and therefore know I’m Bi-racial, like your precious Obama) I’ll assume your claiming I’m a hillbilly is a thinnly veiled racist dig at me for not being “Black enough” for degenerates like you. Typical of your sort.

    But you go out of your way to claim you’d kill pedophiles but you defended the rape of children as “Karma” bin your earlier comment. Which is it?

    Any educated person would tell you early psychology is anti-religious, and early psychological theories are based around people who were similar to you (pretentious misanthropes) trying to dispel the “superstitions” of the past. Pointing to psychologists as examples of Christian morals is like using DailyKos as a source on an article about Republicans.

    You can’t have it both ways however. You claim to hate child rape but your here criticism people for trying to stop child rape.

45. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_attitudes_toward_homosexuality#Ancient_Greece
    “Athens and Sparta are both well known for encouraging pederastic relationships as part of a youth’s education and socialization.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_attitudes_toward_homosexuality#Ancient_Rome
    “By the time the empire had been firmly established, many forms of sexual expression were tolerated. Though perhaps not the originator of the practice, the emperor Nero appears to have been the first Roman emperor to marry a male. According to Edward Gibbon, writing in 1776, of the first twelve emperors only Claudius was exclusively involved with women. All others took either boys or men as lovers.”

    http://www.child-abuse-effects.com/history.html
    “Sexual abuse within the family has always existed, in spite of a universal taboo (Mead, 19631). From Biblical literature, to the Inca, to the Egyptians, virtually all types of incest are described.”

    http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Rape#encyclopedia
    “Rape, in the course of war, also dates back to antiquity, ancient enough to have been mentioned in the Bible. The Israelite, Greek, Persian, and Roman troops would routinely rape women and boys in the conquered towns.”
    (Note: This is referring to the Old Testement, which is pre-Christian.)

    I found this in a five minute search. I’m sure if I were so inclined to spend more time to prove a point to the likes of you, I’d find tons more. It simply wasn’t *called* pedophilia until after the advent of Christianity. That is not proof of it’s non-existence prior to that.

    BTW, those who go out and catch pedophiles and other predators can attest to the fact that pedophiles will often loudly denounce pedophilia, even stating that they’d kill pedophiles if it weren’t illegal, in order to draw attention away from themselves. However, they’ll also usually say certain things that will be obvious to those who fight these bastards. They can’t help it, because in their effort to try and normalize what they do, they will always give themselves away. Once they slip up, they’ll try and dig themselves out of it but only dig themselves in deeper. It would almost be amusing if it weren’t so disgusting.

46. See, got you to give up more info on yourself, SMP I thought you were a woman, now I know for sure. So I assumed wrong, American Viking sounds Norse to me.

    Most information about Scandinavian mythology is preserved in the Old Norse literature (Icelandic, Swedish, and Norwegian Literature), in the Eddas and later sagas; other material appears in commentaries by the Danish historian Saxo Grammaticus and the German writer Adam of Bremen (flourished about 1075).

    Anyway, I was right you would not have the balls.
    We have Time Warner RR here and the ISP varies depending on the city, For the most part I post from my home, this afternoon I posted from my girl friend’s place. Hell two months ago my ISP was out of Indiana.

    The 4th paragraph was a cut-n-paste from a medical web site. Not my opinion.

    My defence of the site comes from detesting the Moral Majority Mind Police, How is your anti-sticker crusade coming, accosted anymore Nanny Van pilots lately.

    Oh by the way thanks for confirming your trolling SP, I’ll be sure to let the Admins know. Since your not going to talk to me any longer, I thought I would let you know what most intelligent people all ready know, that when someone resorts to swearing and blatant name calling they have lost the debate.

    Rob, it was sarcasm not racism, Until you brought it up your being bi-racial was never part of the equation. I really have no problem with people that want to protect children, but I do have a problem with the way you go about it. You can not convict people for what they might do, before they do it.

47. Hey, Druidcroak! Yes, I decided to come back and marvel at your ignorance. It’s reached the point of entertaining buffoonery. i.e. I like the chuckle.

    Okay, lol, where did I ever claim to NOT be a woman? Hel, anyone who reads most things I’ve written and still thinks I’m a man has some sexual deprivation issues. I haven’t divulged anything to you that I don’t readily say on my site or in comments here or anywhere, really. In fact, I give a hel of a lot more in my profile. You just keep patting yourself on the back there, Druidsmokescrack. I’m thoroughly enjoying it.

    Yes, I know about Scandinavian mythologies and Eddas. Another thing readily available for anyone to know about me is that I have written Sagas. Not a major secret.

    You can tell Starr anything you want but it isn’t something she doesn’t already know. It’s pretty damned obvious we are monitoring the site as we continue to monitor any site we have found has been a danger to minors. Anyone but you, apparently, can already see we still monitor there, but if you want a gold star for pointing out the obvious, you go right on ahead. Prove to her your just the kind of lower intelligence she needs to represent her site.

    Swearing and name calling in a debate can come in several forms, not all of which involve losing. I posted a well-rounded reply to you that involved a few examples of well-deserved words. Didn’t mean to hurt your virginal Christian ears.

    Yes, I called you Christian. You see, you don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to Paganism. You don’t know what Karma is, you couldn’t properly spell eclectic – which has nothing to do with not being a good speller but has everything to do with not knowing what word you are looking for, you criticize Pagans for their chosen path, and you try way too damned hard to “prove” you know about Pagan paths. You’ve been caught attacking Satanists on Pagan Space, and then you come here and defend them in an attempt to sound more Pagan. You then defend Wicca tooth and nail though you claim to be a Druid (a real Druid would know why that is important 😉 ). You’re just some fake pretending to be Pagan. I don’t know why. Perhaps you’re playing it on Pagan Space and came to post your bullshit here to convince people of it. I don’t know yet but keep talking. I’ll figure it out. Trust me. For right now, though, it is fact you are not a real Pagan. That much I know and that is enough for now.

    By the way, we cannot “convict” anyone. Only a court of law can do that. While buying your copy of “Paganism for Dummies”, pick up a book on law terminology.

    There is nothing wrong with how we do what we do. We collect evidence of suspicious behavior and turn it over to law enforcement. It’s what people like us do and what law enforcement appreciates very much as no one who cares about children wants to hear that someone witnessed something and said nothing.

    Now, I HAVE left comments on a 15 year olds page letting her know she doesn’t deserve to be sexually harassed by anyone. Names were never mentioned. It was a comment. Now, the reason for that comment was because one of the PaganSpace perverts had left a very dirty remark on her page. He is 65 she is 15. It was disgusting and had he said such a thing to her in person, he would have been immediately carted off to jail. Again, my comment was simply stated and didn’t name names. It was his choice to never comment to her again, and I received a thank you from her as well as a friend add from her. All of her other adult friends had seen that comment on her page, including an Admin who left a comment to her after his comment thanking her for something, and no one did a damned thing. She hadn’t seen it yet because she had been in school. She promptly removed his comment and left mine! Another girl did similar with Dodia Fae. Those girls appreciated the efforts we were making on their behalf. The only ones who ever expressed an issue with us were the adults there. Pretty fucking pathetic if you ask me.

    You paste something as a comment aimed at berating us, you know damned well what it says and means and you are using it to represent your personal point of view. All this back peddling by you people is nauseating but damned funny.

    “Moral Majority Mind Police” . Ahh, there it is. Comparing anti-child rape to morals. I think I said this once before but it bears repeating – every time you comment here, you prove everything we have said. LOL! Geez, you’re an idiot!

    You’re right. I don’t have balls. I have ovaries and everyone knows those are much more dangerous, especially now days. I would tell you everything I said here to your face. I’m naturally a quiet person but anyone who knows me knows that when it comes to children, something rages out of me and not a damned person involved is safe. I’m not someone you want to say that pro-pedophilia propaganda to. That is a matter of fact.

    Look, we’ve all seen your comments – mixed up from defending pedophiles to saying you’d kick their ass and so forth, from attacking Pagans to defending them, not knowing terminology any real Pagan would… You can’t keep anything straight. You copy and paste shit from sites that you claim not to even understand.

    Wow. I mean, I want to say you’re a lying fucktard but based on the IQ you’ve used here thus far, I’m not so sure you’re not telling the truth about not understanding what you read and adhere to. You’ve proven your ignorance beyond a shadow of a doubt and that you aren’t afraid to use it, much to my delight because you are rather funny and I can’t express to you enough how much I appreciate you coming here proving what we’ve been saying.

    But I digress. I have things to do, like inform the dumbass Nanny Van pilots of the easy targets they are making of their children. Did I hit a nerve there, sunshine? Is that because you ARE a Nanny Van pilot with the names of your children and grandchildren on your windows, or is it because I exposed another tactic of you and your friends? Hit some kind of nerve so one has to wonder which one. 😉

48. You conservative are sooooo easy, you flip flop just like McCain. I knew you would be back and I did not even have to consult my pendulum to tell me that.

    As for paganism, no true pagan would try to mix what ever path they follow with Judeo-Christian moral values. Why would I want to mix substandard Christianity with superior Druidry.

    The only reason Christianity got anywhere to begin with was because it had the might of the Roman army behind it. They could not do it by being examples of what they were preaching, they had to kill people to convert them. If you don’t want to believe me, do a little honest research on Christianity and Native American conversion(its a more modern reference), you start dipping people in hot tar, they convert real fast.

    They have been smart (the Christians) they have been able to weasel their way into every major government, having the government behind them is the only way they can maintain their control. Bush is but the most resent example.

    I did not attack Satanism, I only pointed out that Satan was a construct of Christianity, people can say what ever they want but facts are facts. You on the other hand have made it a point of singling out Wicca and Satanism for attack in your slanderous posts. But then again that is the conservative Christian way, hide behind Righteous indignation to violate peoples rights and slander their character.

    The fact you hide behind the cause of anti-child abuse is sickening at best, you use this cause to stoke your ego and inflate your own self worth. Your a legend in your own mind. True protectors of children do not go around blowing their own horn, trying to get people to pat them on the back and tell them what a good job they are doing.

    “You’re right. I don’t have balls. I have ovaries and everyone knows those are much more dangerous, especially now days. I would tell you everything I said here to your face. I’m naturally a quiet person but anyone who knows me knows that when it comes to children, something rages out of me and not a damned person involved is safe. I’m not someone you want to say that pro-pedophilia propaganda to. That is a matter of fact.”

    What a bunch of “Sound and fury, signifying nothing”. Your no more dangerous than foul smell in a wind storm, your a passing odor and nothing more. If you want to be taken seriously stop swearing and stop the name calling. That is the defence of the uneducated and the immature. do you really think that woman took the stickers off her van? I highly doubt it.

    As for my presence on PS, keep reading what I and others post, you might learn what it is to be pagan. I defend Wicca as I would defend any pagan path, but see I do not brag about it. No one on PS will ever know about my posts here, unless they happen to come to Red Alerts and see this thread. I don’t need validation for what I do from other people.

    By the way, I do want to thank Rob for this thread, I would never of check out PS with out it. see I came here first, researching the pagan pedophile connection.

49. LMAO!!! OMG! You are so transparent! (BTW the “Lolli” bit was hysterical)

    I won’t say how but because of what you just posted, every Pagan who comes by it now knows you are NOT a real Pagan. Thanks! Didn’t take much to make you slip up. You’re not used to it because you aren’t one so you failed to do what we all do. Pagans know what I mean.

    Again, please buy a law dictionary and learn what constitutes as “slander”. As entertaining as your stupidity is for everyone here, you really shouldn’t continue making yourself look like the total ass you are. It’s just sad. Funny, hel yes!, but sad none-the-less.

    Nothing I said resembles patting myself on the back. I was answering your pathetic drivel by cluing you in that the teens liked us on there but the adults wanted us gone. Trying to get your half-assed brain to understand something you obviously don’t want to see. But after you deliberately quoted pro-pedo propaganda, why would you?

    Not so predictable, puppet, as I am no longer here to debate you. You are nothing but a plaything now. I’ll stop replying to you either when Rob asks me or I tire of you and toss you out with the rest of the worthless poser trash.

50. By the way, Druidsmoke – I figured out your game. Pretending to be a Pagan, posting here to look convincing to other Pagans and look good as a new member of Pagan Space, posting pedo sympathizing statements, not being able to hide your true feelings about pedophilia …. Again, transparent. Though you didn’t need to pretend to be Pagan for your kind to infiltrate a Pagan site. They allow Christians there, too, as well as Atheists and Agnostics. I suppose you feel pretending to be Pagan lends more credibility. Too bad you don’t know enough about it to pass it off, and your game only clued us in to what is going on that bears closer scrutiny. Thanks for the help!

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