Governor Bobby Jindal voiced what is a perfectly patriotic position for many, that he hoped the policies and Ponzi schemes being peddled by Barack Obama fail. Predictably, Charles Johnson’s Little Green Footballs has a case of the vapors at the GOP’s “alienating and losing the support of the vast middle” etc.
At some point during this post, Bobby Jindal was referred to as “Creationist Bobby Jindal” and you could almost hear the disdain dripping from their inner voices as Charles Johnson’s cult of anti-Religionists curled their lips disgustedly at the idea of a person having beliefs they disagree with.
That Bobby Jindal’s opinion of how reality is structured is irrelevant to the point of the post is obvious to all but the most bigoted “lizards” for whom religiosity is akin to incest or necrophilia in both its unseemliness and undesirability in modern society. That being assured that there is an invisible hand at work in the creation of the uncountable multitudes of stars and planets in our universe has no bearing on the question presented by LGF, whether saying you want Obama to fail is a good political strategy. So why is it in there?
Because for the Charles Johnsons of the world simple belief, devotion, or faith in an idea or doctrine is enough to dismiss you as a person, enough in fact to deny your humanity at all. Atheism is not, as many will tell you, the absence of religion. Atheism is itself a quasi-religion that has a set dogma, a theology and most important its own demonology. For the Atheist the believer, of any faith, is like a character from the Pseudomonarchia Daemonum. We who believe are all similar beings that need be controlled and feared by rational people lest we spread our corruption throughout their pristine and random creation. The Atheist does not simply disbelieve in some form of divinity in the world, he or she seeks the total annihilation of religion and the religious.
I’ve often thought his anti-religious bigotry was at the root of his most hostile attacks on Pamela Geller from Atlas Shrugs and Robert Spencer form Jihad Watch. Despite the fact that clearly Pamela Geller isn’t a neo-Nazi Charles Johnson branded her one based on the same biased and unreliable, and atheist, source he used to brand English blogger Lionheart a neo-Nazi. Lionheart is a born again Christian, Robert Spencer is Catholic I believe and Pamela is Jewish. It is clear to any observer that Charles Johnson and his Internet cult wanted to believe the worst of these people, and I would put forward it is because they are religious he was pathologically driven to attempt to destroy their reputations.
This lashing out at the faithful is at the core of Atheism, which is so bereft of legitimate criticism of religion in general that these days they spend most of their time ripping off LaVeyian Satanism. Richard Dawkins’ much lauded book The God Delusion is essentially a plagiarization of Celsus’ Discourse Against the Christians with a smattering of Satan Speaks thrown in to spice up what would otherwise be a book as mind-numbingly dull and childishly nihilistic as atheism itself. Likewise LGF in its anti-theism incarnation has little to offer adherents besides a false sense of intellectual superiority based on mocking the misunderstood beliefs of others.
Creationists are often the targets of their ire even though the average big bang theorist has no more understanding of astrophysics than they do of the metaphysics they mock. Like the devoutly Christian Jindal, the “Lizard” from LGF accepts the creation of the universe ex nihilo and could no more explain to us how the big bang happened and what matter was in existence before the big bang than a Christian can explain where his God lived prior to creating the universe. Both views require a certain amount of faith, but whereas the Christian is consoled by faith in his or her God, the only consolation for the Atheist’s anti-faith is that their existence is essentially meaningless.
Which is both the allure of Atheism for many, and the driving force behind the evangelical fervor atheists have in trying to discredit religious ideas of objective truth and morality. I know many atheists and most happen to be bad people. That’s not to say that they are criminals or child rapists, but they simply aren’t particularly good in the philosophical sense.They are not honest, hard working or charitable. Except that I wouldn’t know if Johnson works particularly hard, I’d say that description fits him and his “Lizard” army.Their dealings with Spencer and Geller certainly prove they are neither honest nor charitable.
Atheists believe in a subjective morality. For example they believe that the reason it’s wrong for a 40-year-old to be sexually active with a child is because it’s illegal and society has ruled that it shouldn’t happen. Some may believe that it can be psychologically damaging for the child, or that it’s exploitative and deviant. But none believe that it is evil. They can’t because they don’t believe that anything can be, objectively, evil.
None of the atheists I know believe that people who rape children are choosing to do evil to satisfy themselves. They explain the abuse of children as a “sickness” which implies that it can be cured and is something that the perpetrator cannot control or truly be responsible for. These same people also happen in dozens of minor venal ways to exploit others. Just as they pass no moral judgment on the most evil amongst us they expect, and will accept, no moral judgment by others on them or how they choose to live. The heart of an atheist is a hopeful one, hopeful that there is no divine power that will weigh them and find them wanting.
I am not a Christian, though having my academic background in Comparative Religion I have a basic understanding of Christian theology. There are legitimate criticisms of general Christian dogma and specific denominations’ creeds that make decent dinner table conversation.The idea that being a Christian makes one less deserving of civility and respect isn’t one of them. It is uncivil at best to mock a man’s faith, but in reality it is the mark of a small minded bigot who has cut him or herself off from the basic search for knowledge all people must pursue.
I believe in a vast and unknowable universe, alive with beings that to us are gods and perhaps even these gods have gods. I believe that the divine can be seen within the natural world and I have experienced it in the warm winds that whisper through trees that danced in time with the coming thunder storm. There is a music that you can hear when you are alone in the woods that I believe is the Call of the gods themselves. But more importantly I believe in good and evil, something I share with most Christians, and I don’t believe in subjective morality. I believe that you will pay for the evil you do and atheists cannot allow themselves to believe this is true.
So they lash out at the religious because we remind them of what they fear the most, the divine and their separation from it. That’s the truth about atheism, it holds no comfort for people, only fear and loathing and a lifetime of trying to convince others that we’re wrong if only to convince one another that they are right. And underneath the pettiness and bile there is the longing for the comfort and faith that they deny themselves.
Rob,
Outstanding analysis. I’m a longtime reader of LGF, and Charles Johnson did some outstanding blogging when it came to intel and terrorism stuff. But his latest obsession over creationism is indeed puzzling. There are so many other societal belief systems that need to be confronted and repudiated- global warming stands out in my mind- and something like arguing how we ‘came to be’ seems minute in comparison.
But I’m not sure that athiests practice subjective morality to the point that they can’t identify evil. I think they know it when they see it. What they choose to do in the face of it is what sets them apart: they deny the spiritual deficiencies of the evildoer, and therefore must also deny that there is a source of good and benevelence. And I think that when they are faced with their own hypocrisy on this is what makes them lash out at good people and try to find flaws in them.
I think you may be on to something there. But at it’s core don’t you think Atheism is the root of the medicalization of evil (I’m thinking of pedophilia) and our tendency to intellectualize the concept of evil? Atheists I know tend to try to convince themselves that evil as a larger concept doesn’t exist, the way Depak Chopra sees the concept of evil as a crutch “good” people shouldn’t need to lead good lives.
But you’re spot o in calling it all hypocrisy and the energy they put into bashing Creationists id difficult to justify.
http://www.china.org.cn/english/China/201504.htm
In other news the Chinese Communist party embraced religion on the grounds that it “enhences social harmony”. With the exception of seperatists faiths or those that demonize the party, all others are mostly welcome. This is slightly odd as official communist doctrine is blatently anti-theistic, viewing religion as a tool of the upper class, but the CCP sees things differently.
Given that the Chinese Communist Part has more members than US has atheists (or blacks, Jews and Hispanics combined) having a theory to explain atheism that does not cover such a large portion of the world’s atheists means the theory is wrong. Care to try again?
Talk about a strawman. You’re sayig that because the CCP maintains state controlled churches atheists aren’t what they are? The CCP uses a state run church to keep people from joining Christain churches which are spring up everywhere, a tool of social control. The same with Buddhism.
It should also be pointed out that membership in the CCP is the only means of advancement and protection from persecution in China, and that using media arms of the Communist state to make a point is having a great amount of faith indeed.
And only the most willfully ignorant people would think the CCP’s state run churches imply they accept religion. The Fulan Gong don’t “affect social order” nor do Buddhists or Kung-Fu instructors, who were forced to flee here ot our benefit by the state. What they threaten is the State dogma the CCP puts out.
How about instead you explain to me why it’s important to note Bobby Jindal is a “Creationist” in a post unrelated to to his religion? Or how my religion effects your life at all enough for it too be commented on?
Better yet, why not try to find something from a Richard Dawkin book not stolen from Celsus and Anton LaVey?
“Talk about a strawman.”
This was your declaration:
“The Atheist does not simply disbelieve in some form of divinity in the world, he or she seeks the total annihilation of religion and the religious.”
The CCP is an obvious counter example as it does not seek the elimination of religion.
“You’re sayig that because the CCP maintains state controlled churches atheists aren’t what they are? ”
No, I am saying your definition of atheists is wrong- the CCP is composed of atheists and is not acting how you have described. If the definition does not jibe with what it is describing, the definition is wrong.
“It should also be pointed out that membership in the CCP is the only means of advancement and protection from persecution in China,”
False. There is also the traditional path of advancement- making large amounts of money. As of 2002, 19% of the population was middle class and 7.7% were members of the communist party.
“The Fulan Gong don’t “affect social order—
They weren’t persecuted by the government until their leader attacked the CCP as being evil.
“What they threaten is the State dogma the CCP puts out.”
You do realize the CCP doesn’t view its dogma as dogma? They view it as the truth- and the only thing preventing China from suffering the same fate as the USSR.
“How about instead you explain to me why it’s important to note Bobby Jindal is a “Creationist†in a post unrelated to to his religion? ”
It shows he is scientifically illiterate and casts doubts upon his rational thinking skills as well as his impartiality. I’d call it an ad hominum- especially when heartless is a much better insult that could have been used. Or maybe vulture.
“Or how my religion effects your life at all enough for it too be commented on?”
Well, the big indicator for things like prop 8 was religion, so yah, it is important. Not to mention it leads to people holding things above their country- seriously wanting the country to go down the drain just to spite the opposition…
“Better yet, why not try to find something from a Richard Dawkin book not stolen from Celsus and Anton LaVey?”
You haven’t read On the Nature of Things have you? The arguments are OLD- argument from morality was shot down by Plato for instance.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/27/content_386060.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China
So..I’m right you’re saying. Dawkins rips off older writers (Celsus was a writer from the 2nd century by the way) Atheists are anti-morality and you think Bobby Jindal is sub-human based on a philosophical disagreement.
I have read Dawkins. And Anton Lavey and Celsus (and even Plato) but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.
Speaking of scientific illiteracy, can you explain to me, in your own words, how the big bang happened? What was the precursor? What material existed that produced the big bang? I happen to know all what the theory states off the top of my head, you’ll be on Wikipedia I assume.
Stop posting multiple links. That’s why you ended up in moderation.
Your article is so misleading, I hardly know how to respond. I don’t know if Charles Johnson is an atheist or not. I do know that I am an actively practicing Christian, and I am also registered and a regular commenter at LGF, where I have made no secret of my religious beliefs. LGF is not an “anti-religion” site.
Religious or not, anyone should be appalled at the attempts to replace science with “creationist” views in the classroom. You say you are not a Christian; do you agree that Christian belief should replace the teaching of scientific knowledge? I know I would not want my child being taught the state’s version of “Christianity” – it is my right and my responsibility to teach my child the religious views we believe in; it is not the right of the state school system to choose which version of religion will be taught to her.
I believe God created the universe and all the processes by which we have evolved. I am not a scientist, and I have no fancy language nor fancy links to give you. But an acceptance of evolution as the process, and a belief in God as the creator, are perfectly compatible.
The criticisms of ms. geller and mr. spencer have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with their support for ethnic-nationalist groups in europe. It is geller and spencer that are hailed as heros by the neo-nazis at stormfront, not Mr. Johnson. But don’t let facts get in the way of your attack. Maybe stormfronters will now love your blog too. Lucky you.
Shamuta-That’s a lie, and had you read my article you’d know that it is Muslims that Neo-Nazis are allied with, not Jews (such a Geller) but like a typical LGF troll you would rather make up facts than admit your hero is wrong.
Reine-Had you read the article you’d see that I indeed don’t promote the teaching of Creationism in schools, I do support the teaching of theories (the big bang) as theories not fact until they are verifiably proven by the scientific method, which is impossible with a concept like the theory of how reality itself began (and what came before it) but like your troll friend you are more interested in making up facts than debating the actual points I make.
But there’s still hope. My main charge is that big bang theorists are no more knowledgeable in the fields of astrophysics etc than creationists, that most (yourself included) take the truth of the big bang in good faith. Prove me wrong on that.
By the way, I am not a Christian and don’t believe in God as the creator of all life. I have never promoted religious education by the state and my personal views of Christianity are that it breeds the weakness Islamists and people lie yourself take advantage of when looking for victims to satisfy whatever craving for hurting others (or in your case feeling superior) that drive you.
And I thus would never allow my child to be taught such nonsense as turning the other cheek etc. That’s why the post is the Pagan and Proud category. Happy Easter though.
Mr. Taylor:
I expressed my opinion that LGF is not an “anti-religion” site, and some other opinions of mine.
You state that I “made up facts”. Please advise what it is you believe I stated as “fact” so that I might clarify.
The Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution are theories only in the same sense as are the Spherical Earth Theory, the Heliocentric Theory, and the Tectonic Plate Theory. Not only is the Big Bang Theory supported by the Big Bang echo radiation, but we have estimated the age of the Universe at 13.73 (± 0.12) billion years based upon its red shift coefficient.
Perhaps you need to be enlightened as to what the word ‘theory’ means in a scientific context, which is vastly dissimilar from its connotation in common parlance as a casual conjecture or baseless supposition.
According to the United States National Academy of Sciences,
“Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature supported by facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena.”
“A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not “guesses” but reliable accounts of the real world. The theory of biological evolution is more than “just a theory.” It is as factual an explanation of the universe as the atomic theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. Our understanding of gravity is still a work in progress. But the phenomenon of gravity, like evolution, is an accepted fact.”
Raine-Your attempts to claim that LGF doesn’t have an anti-religious bent is certainly made up, and the article shows how it permeates all discussion. How does Jindal’s doctrinaire Catholicism relate in any way to the article cited above where Johnson calls him a “creationist” and unless he knew it was a term that would cause derision from the “Lizards” why would it be thrown in?
You also imply that there is some conspiracy to replace science with Christian religious lessons which is liberal siege mentality at it’s most paranoid. Your implication that I may be Christian is ham-fisted nonsense but the “making up facts” line was showing that both you and Sharmuta were not arguing points I simply didn’t make. I’ve never supported the replacing of biology with biblical creationism, so why bring it up?
Salamantis- So you believe that the Big Bang is so well established by facts that no one need prove it which conviently lets you support the theory sans taking the time to study it for yourself. That my dear troll is faith. Which was my point.
But it’s also not relevant to the post. I don’t care what you do or don’t personally believe, and I judge no one solely on their opinions on metaphysical subjects such as whether or not there is a meaning to life. You do. I explain above why I think that is, perhaps you can argue that point?
I say I know many atheists and most happen to be bad people.You allow a fellow Lizard (Sharmuta) to slander a Jewish woman here with a lie (that neo-Nazis support Pam Geller) which in my opinion makes you…a bad person. Can any of you explain why this isn’t so?
Mr. Taylor –
My statement that LGF is not “anti-religion” is based on my experience there. As to why I brought up creationism – please read the second 2 paragraphs of your article.
Bobby Jindal is indeed a “creationist”, he ignored warnings from scientists, educators, and even former former professors and signed into law the “academic freedom” legislation promoted by Christian groups and the Discovery Institute. http://legis.state.la.us/billdata/streamdocument.asp?did=472973
also see from local newspaper archives:
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/theadvocate/access/1499752161.html?dids=1499752161:1499752161&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Jun+24,+2008&author=Anonymous&pub=Advocate&edition=&startpage=6&desc=Creation+bill+wrong+signal
and
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/theadvocate/access/1464900791.html?dids=1464900791:1464900791&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Apr+18,+2008&author=WILL+SENTELL&pub=Advocate&edition=&startpage=1&desc=Critics+call+bill+effort+to+teach+creationism+***+Senate+panel+advances+measure
Reine-Don’t slap so many links into a comment or it goes into moderation.
And the law he signed states:
“no public elementary or secondary school governing authority, superintendent,administrator, or principal shall prohibit any teacher from discussing certain scientific evidence; to prohibit certain content-based censorship; to provide for notice of such to local school systems and employees; and to provide for related matters.”
Which would only mean that teachers could discuss all types of theories with kids. I assume we’ll disagree as to my disinterest in what is essentially academic minutia that is designed to protect teachers and students who ramble on about metaphysical theories from being censored. I do find it amusing that you use newspaper stories as evidence of his perfidy when the thread that bought you hear contains a great deal of venom against the “biased msm.”
None of this relates to the question at hand or frankly the two paragraphs you point to. The article I speak of has nothing to do with this subject and creationist is used as an insult. Is that right? Sharmuta is claiming falsely that Pam Geller is a neo-Nazi hero. Is that right? What is it that drives you to think this is acceptable behavior?
No, the point is that the Big Bang is so well established by checkable-and-recheckable-at-will empirical evidence that the difference between its probability and apodictic certainty is vanishingly small. That, my dear noncognoscenti, is empirical science, readily accessible with a few simple internet clicks.
As to religion, I have been an eclectic Wiccan for 30+ years. Wicca has no problem with science. You impress me as Odinist or Asatru, and not the ethnically tolerant kind.
I also note that you contradict yourself in a single post, by first saying you don’t judge people solely on their metaphysical opinions, then imediately stating that most of the many atheists whom you claim to know are bad people.
My guess is that you have been booted from LGF for being a troll yourself, most probably for defending the indefensible idea that antijihadis should climb into bed with eurofascists, and harbor a visceral animus concerning it.
I’m Bi-racial, which the about me page of Red Alerts makes clear. It’s typical of a Wiccan (if I may contradict myself) to try to play the race card on an actual minority. So sad. I’m a racist because I disagree with some White douche. Typical.
It isn’t contradictory to say that most atheist I know are bad people, it’s experience. It is in fact in my article, but I guess you missed it being that you simply took Charles Johnson’s word for it that I said this or that, like a good little groupie.
My guess is that someone emailed you to tell you that I indeed was banned from LGF, but left out it was because I was offended by someone claiming all people who had a solar cross were Nazis since I have one and ma Black. But as typical of LGF, facts get in the way of a good narrative.
I myself am one quarter Native American. The fact that you claim biraciality does not insulate you from charges of ethnic intolerance, and especially does not insulate you from sharing the religious intolerance that is infamous among many Odinists.
I know what was in your post about atheists – after all, I paraphrased it. But all it amounts to is an unsubstantiated assertion claiming to be a personal anecdote. The statistics speak differently; atheists as a group are underrepresented in US prison populations.
It appears that I was on the mark with my guess that you are Odinist, and equally on the mark with my guess that you are a booted LGF troll. No email notification occurred and in fact none was necessary; the fact that your idiotarian emotional convictions dominate your rational intellection was more than enough of a clue.
And I find it unintentionally ironic to the point of hilarity that an Atlas Shrugged-Brussels-Journal-Gates-Of-Vienna groupie would accuse me of groupieism.
Wait, you’re claiming that although I’m half-Black and grew up in a Black family if I worship Odin (one of several gods I worship, as unlike the dressed up monotheism of Wicca I actually believe in polytheism) I’m a racist but you’re not a racist because you claim to be 1/4th Native American? Yeah, that makes sense.
You’re using the term paraphrase wrong. To paraphrase something is to sum it up in a condensed form. You haven’t done that at all. You’re just regurgitating the pablum Charles on ejaculates into your mouth and then covering your ears when someone says “That’s not quite true.”
You are the racist who snickers when a Jewish woman is called a Nazi. You’re the racist who has simply decided what gods Black folk can worship. Blurting out thesaurus aided psychobabble doesn’t change what you are. Admit it, on a certain level you took great pleasure in calling me an uncle tom in your round about way. Maybe you should think about what that says about you, and the people who do the same thing on a regular basis, you know DailyKos.
What I find amusing is your text book projection. I’m a racist, I’m letting my emotions interfere with my “rational intellection” blah, blah. I think you and mademoiselle Johnson protest overmuch in on the subject of racism.
As for religious intolerance? I’ll cop to not liking Wiccans. However, since I’ve blogged before about the Frosts promoting pedophilia and PaganSpace (run by and for Wiccans) allowing adults to hook up with teens I think most readers will forgive this bit of bigotry.
Here are your exact (unparaphrased) quotes concerning atheism:
“I don’t care what you do or don’t personally believe, and I judge no one solely on their opinions on metaphysical subjects such as whether or not there is a meaning to life. You do. I explain above why I think that is, perhaps you can argue that point?
I say I know many atheists and most happen to be bad people”.
So no, I’m not ‘regurgitiating Charles; I am regurgitating YOU – because I’m not nearly stupid enough to swallow such obtuse crapola.
Do you support the religiously selective deportation policies of the BNP and Fjordman and the Vlaams Belang? If you do, then you are a religious bigot, because you support disctrimination based not upon individual merit, but on the basis on group membership.
And a person’s ethnicity also does not confer automatic sainthood, as a simple glance at Finkelstein and Chomsky and Kahane abundantly demonstrates. It certainly doesn’t give Crazy (“Charles should be flogged”, “Nirth Certifikat”) Pam a pass.
Whether or not you are a racist, you most certainly are a religious bigot, like the people with whom you associate yourself. But the ethnic supremacism of most Odinists is a matter of sad record. Your embracing them makes as much sense as your donning a KKK robe or wearing a Swastika. But then again, you have already demonstrated a pronounced affinity for other Nazi regalia, such as the Odin Cross.
You either are or should be well aware that the Frosts are not viewed with favor by most of the wider Wiccan community. But considering your comments, it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if you were a pedophile yourself, simply because you would prefer hooking up with girls your own mental and emotional age.
So saying a Jewish woman is supported by Nazis even when she isn’t is acceptable to you? And you’re claiming I’m saying Jews are some sort of untouchable race because I think making up such a lie is disgusting and in bad taste?
Further You’re saying that I’m embracing racism by worshiping a particular god? By the way, it is you, not me, claiming I’m part of the Odinist movement. But are you really claiming,as a supposed Wiccan, that pagans are banned from using solar crosses because Nazis had them on something? You do know Odin worshipers were persecuted by Nazi Germany as well, and were disparaged in Hitler’s own writings don’t you?
But why do you, some White guy, get to tell me what gods/religion/symbols are acceptable fir me to use?
You also must be aware that Oberon Zell and most other big name Wiccans do in fact support the Frosts to this day, and the Frosts are still active at Pagan gatherings. As for me being a pedophile-doesn’t your escalation simply prove my point about you?
I don’t know about VB or Fjordman etc policies but if I were King somewhere I’d deport Muslims who refused to assimilate. I’d deport Wiccans regardless of how well they assimilated. Especially the whiny ones who trolled blogs crying whenever their Internet den mother had her honor sullied. What would Ceaser do is my motto.
I bet my wife that your next missive will include a racist slur. Even knowing I said that you can’t help yourself can you?
Here is Pam Geller’s Stormfront support:
http://www.google.com/search?q=atlasshrugs2000+site:stormfront.org&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&filter=0
So since I have conclusively demonstrated that it’s not a lie, but indisputable truth, it makes no difference that you are now denying that you were invoking Pam’s Jewish heritage for the purpose of insulating her from criticism by attacking the messenger, although it can be read here, in your past posts:
“You allow a fellow Lizard (Sharmuta) to slander a Jewish woman here with a lie (that neo-Nazis support Pam Geller) which in my opinion makes you…a bad person. Can any of you explain why this isn’t so?”
“You are the racist who snickers when a Jewish woman is called a Nazi.”
I am claiming that many Odinists are indeed racists and ethnic and religious supremacists. This is simply a sad fact.
And Heinrich Himmler’s affinity for Thule Society ideas is a matter of public record.
My point about YOU with the pedophile reply-in-kind to your initial broaching of the non sequiter subject is that you are obviously cognitively immature.
I think I’ll forego the racism altogether, as I have always done, and also leave the religious bigotry to you. You seem to have quite a voracious taste for it.
You would have been an excellent help to Sprenger and Kramer.
So where does it say they think she’s a hero? The actual thread says she’s a Jew but the simply had to link to her. It goes on to bad mouth Jews.
But by that logic LGF, who are on the blogroll of the Canadian Nationalist Party, are the heroes of Canadian neo-Nazis. Is that true? Does someone linking to you imply that you accept they’re views?
Many lefty divorcees who are friends with 16 year-old girls on MySpace are pedophiles. Does that mean you are? Like I said, I’m not in the “Odinist” movement but I do worship Odin. Are you saying I’m simply not allowed to and that all Odinists are racists? Seems to me you’re the religious bigot.
Hurl your insults, then run back to Charles and report on what other people are saying, you know the way you usually do? It’s all in my new post, where I feature you.
They link to her because they share her affinity for euroneonazis and her willingness to make common cause with them against Muslims. Not just jihadis; ALL Muslims. They share her religious bigotry. As, apparently, do you.
And gratuitously hauling out the lefty canard is hilarious; LGF is not known to be a leftist site except to the extreme fascist Right. They are considered to be right-wingnuts by the leftists. When you piss off both extremes, it must mean you inhabit the sensible center. The same center that antijihadis who associate with euroneonazis irrevocably lose.
To be able to lie down with such supremacist-flea-ridden dogs as most Odinists are, and get up flea-free would have to entail an industrial strength flea collar. Just as to lie down with euroneonazis and get up untainted by them would. I most sincerely doubt that your flea collar is that effective, or that you care.
Go ahead and slag me all you want; I simply consider the source, but no more than it merits and deserves, which, in your case, is not much at all. Such things reveal much more about their sources than they reveal about their targets, and what they reveal is far from complimentary.
If I could buy your opinions for what they are worth and sell them for what you think they are worth, I would be a wealthy man.
You are a leftist though. And calling that gratuitous after you, a 53 year-old man with a MySpace page, started calling me a pedophile and basically an uncle Tom is hilarious.
You are claiming a Jew is in league with Nazis, I’m a Biracial Nazi and everyone who doesn’t agree with Charles is a Nazi but we’re the extremists?
No wonder your divorced.
Tell me. Is trolling blogs pretty much your whole life? I mean, you clearly aren’t going to work tomorrow since you’re still up. Weird.
Let me guess, you’re either unemployed or work as an adjunct? You use Wicca as an in with young gals, telling them you’ll “initiate” them into the craft, and you have literally been angered by our exchange. Did I pretty much nail it?
I notice none of this has to do with the actual article I wrote. No criticism there I suppose? What about the piece I linked to where I showed Canadain neo-Nazis blogrolling your preciously moderate LGF. No self-righteous indignation about that?
I am a social liberal, a fiscal conservative, and a foreign policy advocate of spreading constitutional democracy. I’m not a leftist, as I abhor all totalitarianisms, theocratic or otherwise, while leftists have yet to meet a totalitarianism with which they have not ben enthralled.
I have a MySpace page so I will have an off-puter place to park my poetry, short stories, and philosophical essays, so I don’t have to retype them in if my hard drive fries.
I’m claiming that Stormfront finds many of Pam Gellers’ posts to be amensble enough to their own views that they have linked to them, hundreds of times. This is indisputably the case. Nazis are indeed extremists by definition. It would not seem to require the full six degrees of internet separation between you and european fascist sympathizers.
I am divorced because, after eight yars of marriage, my wife came to the realization that she was a repressed lesbian (insert your bigoted remarks about my manhood here). I did not oppose the divorce, even though I loved her dearly, because when you tryly love someone, you want what’s best for them, even if that doesn’t happen to be you any more. She and her partner are friends of mine.
My employment is at home, on the computer, and this allows me the freedom to dictate my own flex time. There are many others in this copuntry who can say the same.
Your imbecilic ad hominems would seem to simply reflect your own secret and perverse erotic desires (and perhaps practices); they have nothing to do with me.
LGF is a major internet blog; everybody and their cousin links to them. this is beyond LGF’s control. You cannot claim that LGF itself links to such sites. You and Atlas Shrugs are much smaller, and the array of blogs that link to you are much more…umm…selective…as are those to whom you voluntarily link.
“I have a MySpace page so I will have an off-puter place to park my poetry, short stories, and philosophical essays, so I don’t have to retype them in if my hard drive fries.”
So you don’t have a printer, thumb drive, DVD burner etc. Sure. Makes sense.
“I’m claiming that Stormfront finds many of Pam Gellers’ posts to be amensble enough to their own views that they have linked to them, hundreds of times. This is indisputably the case. Nazis are indeed extremists by definition. It would not seem to require the full six degrees of internet separation between you and european fascist sympathizers.”
That’s a lie. There are no “hundreds of times” just a Google page full of links to the Obama birth certificate story. All from a poster who joined Stormfront shortly after Charles Johnson started calling Pam a Nazi. Hmmm.
“I am divorced because, after eight yars of marriage, my wife came to the realization that she was a repressed lesbian (insert your bigoted remarks about my manhood here). I did not oppose the divorce, even though I loved her dearly, because when you tryly love someone, you want what’s best for them, even if that doesn’t happen to be you any more. She and her partner are friends of mine.”
And you share that sort of story online because, as I’ve been implying, you lack the boundaries a normal person of your advanced years should have. But if you want me to respond I’ll simply say I’m 37, been with my old lady almost 20 years and I would put forward that you should maybe spend less time at LGF and MySpace and more finding a nice Wiccan to settle down with. That way you wouldn’t be so tempted to call me an Uncle Tom, you know because you’d be happy and not a bitter spiteful troll.
“My employment is at home, on the computer, and this allows me the freedom to dictate my own flex time. There are many others in this copuntry who can say the same.”
Oh does Charles pay you by the comment?
“Your imbecilic ad hominems would seem to simply reflect your own secret and perverse erotic desires (and perhaps practices); they have nothing to do with me.”
Says the man who called me pedophile out of the blue. But explain which of my attacks were ad hominem? You attacked me rather than debate what I said (literal ad hominem) when you first showed up, and none of my attacks on you were in lieu of debating your points. Perhaps you should learn Latin before throwing it around. But if they were ad hominem which ones reflect my perverse sexual desires? And what desires are those? Do tell, unless of course this was simply an…ad hominem attack.
“LGF is a major internet blog; everybody and their cousin links to them. this is beyond LGF’s control. You cannot claim that LGF itself links to such sites. You and Atlas Shrugs are much smaller, and the array of blogs that link to you are much more…umm…selective…as are those to whom you voluntarily link.”
This is nonsense in it’s most basic form. Smaller blogs can in someway select who links to them than bigger blogs? Do you think we have the power to stop any weirdo who want to link to us from copying our URL and pasting on his page? I have been linked to by people who claim I’m a CIA agent working for the Illuminati but by your logic I wanted them to say that.
You yourself wrote neo-Nazis linking to Atlas proves that she shares their ideas. But because LGF is bigger than Atlas the same rule doesn’t apply? That’s a load of crap and you know it. The Canadian Nationalists link to LGF because they agree with Charles Johnson’s stance on something. That doesn’t mean CJ agrees with them. By the same token just because someone links to Atlas doesn’t mean she agrees.
And as usual you’re deflecting. Where in those threads did those Nazis call her a hero, as your fellow LGFers claim? Tell me tomorrow, I’m done for the night.
I have a printer, but that doesn’t keep stuff cyberstored.
Why don’t you ask the Stormfront poster in question (if there’s only one, and if all the links were posted after Pam started cozying with eurtofascists – that second part makes sense, btw) whether he’s an LGF stooge, instead of dancing around your rancid insinuendoes? I’d like to see what he tells you to do and where he tells you to go.
I shared that story because you pulled your snide, snotty, sneering little ‘no wonder you’re divorced’ line out and waved it around like you’d pulled a plum out of a pie. Nothing takes the wind out of the sails of slagging blowhards like you more than a dose of personlly uncomfortable truth. It tends to show them up for the vapid and malicious jerks they are.
YOU’RE the cyberstalker, just like your droogie minions at alla those other stalker blogs; I just decided to show your readers what a complete and total nimrod you ar on your own site.
Charles doesn’t pay me or anyone I know jack. We’re there for intelligent, reasoned, referenced discussion, something that is rare in the blogosphere these days – it sure as hell can’t be found here. You yourself were booted from LGF because you lacked the capacity to restrain yourself to it.
All people have to do to discover who slagged who first and how is to read this thread, and I heartily invite them to do it. That’ll put the quietus on your lie, unless you monkey with the posts, something that I wouldn’t put past you after your display here so far.
A lot of different folks from all over the spectrum link to bigger blogs, while the clientele for smaller ones tends to be more niche oriented and appeal-specialized. So when racists link to smaller blogs, it means more.
Those Stormfronters don’t have to call Pam a hero; they’re agreeing with her posted opinions – something that should deeply trouble her, and you, but doesn’t seem to, in either case. Wonder why that is?
LOL! Spreading bobby spencer’s little talking point.
Never mind they think he’s a god at stormfront.
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:rLymh56DZy8J:www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php%3Ft%3D331643+stormfront+robert+spencer+god&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari
But regardless- which do you think is worse? That pam and bob are supported on stormfront, or the fact that their support of european ethnic nationalists makes them favorites at stormfront?
Sharmuta-
So a cached copy of an Australian Stormfront thread that was removed by the site proves that they are heroes of Stormfront? By that logic LGF is the hero of Canadian Neo-Nazis for being linked to by the Canadian Nationalists I’ve mentioned.
Show me where, in their words, they support any of what you claim and how frankly disliking Islam (I certainly do, but then against they still burn Witches around Mecca) equates with racism? Why haven’t you linked to the Kries Faction of the Aryan Nations allowing Muslims to recruit on their site?
http://www.red-alerts.com/un-american-activities/a-dangerous-alliance-chavez-islam-and-the-aryan-nations/
Or there is this Stormfront post that went up recently defending the “values of the burqua” and how Muslims get it right. How does this square with your Nazis hate Jihadism nonsense?
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=588039
Or this article about the Aryan Nations reaching out to Al-Qaeda from CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/29/schuster.column/index.html
The White nationalists have reached out to Muslims since 2001, something I’ve written about extensively. But since I had to link to those sites to prove it by your logic I’m supporting them. But then against since you guys keep linking to Stormfront (and apparently reading them) you must support them, no?
But what does this have to do with the post I wrote? Or can you argue those points at all. If you want to argue with Robert Spencer and Pam Geller go to their sites. If you want to argue my points stop pretending I’m a Biracial neo-Nazi (as if you two aren’t racists who cross the street when you see some Black kids) and use the point I actually make-people like yourself sneer at creationists because it’s the only way you can feel better about yourselves. The fact that you guys will troll a blog for two days in my mind pretty much proves that.
“Salamantis”-
“I have a printer, but that doesn’t keep stuff cyberstored.”
You shouldn’t store stuff online anyway; it doesn’t actually keep your work safe. What I’m pointing out is that this is a nonsensical excuse for a grown man to have a MySpace page. Get a thumb drive. But don’t tell me you “need” to be on MySpace. Unless you’re promoting something MySpace is just a hobby.
“Why don’t you ask the Stormfront poster in question (if there’s only one, and if all the links were posted after Pam started cozying with eurtofascists – that second part makes sense, btw) whether he’s an LGF stooge, instead of dancing around your rancid insinuendoes? I’d like to see what he tells you to do and where he tells you to go.”
I don’t know what an insinuendo is but why should I chat with Nazis to make you feel good? It’s typical of White people like yourself to insensitively not only claim you know better than me what we Black folk should believe religiously but then assume I’d interact with people just like you (racists) to please you. Why don’t you ask CJ why a violent AFA affiliated communist is his main source for the fascist accusations he throws around? Oops. That would require you read CJ carefully and questioned your Internet daddy.
“I shared that story because you pulled your snide, snotty, sneering little ‘no wonder you’re divorced’ line out and waved it around like you’d pulled a plum out of a pie. Nothing takes the wind out of the sails of slagging blowhards like you more than a dose of personlly uncomfortable truth. It tends to show them up for the vapid and malicious jerks they are.”
No you shared that story because you have no dignity or pride or, as I said before, boundaries. The wind didn’t come out of my sail, but I have received several emails from “malicious Jerks” (as opposed to the non-malicious kind) who found that particular email instructive as to the type of person you are.
“YOU’RE the cyberstalker, just like your droogie minions at alla those other stalker blogs; I just decided to show your readers what a complete and total nimrod you ar on your own site.”
Droogie? Really? But what other blogs are you talking about. I personally don’t have or want “minions” and correspond with fans mainly by email. I don’t know of any stalker blogs, nor is pointing out that you have a long history of unseemly behavior, archived on the net, stalking.
“Charles doesn’t pay me or anyone I know jack. We’re there for intelligent, reasoned, referenced discussion, something that is rare in the blogosphere these days – it sure as hell can’t be found here. You yourself were booted from LGF because you lacked the capacity to restrain yourself to it.”
Says the man who came here to call me an Uncle Tom, claim I’m a Black Nazi and who called me a pedophile before the subject was even broached. It this is you being well reasoned I’d hate to see you angry.
“All people have to do to discover who slagged who first and how is to read this thread, and I heartily invite them to do it. That’ll put the quietus on your lie, unless you monkey with the posts, something that I wouldn’t put past you after your display here so far.”
Yes, and they’ll see in your very first post, when CJ sent you scurrying over here to defend his honor, you implied I was less educated than you (despite the fact I have a Masters, where’s your Masters from by the way) and it was you yourself who initiated the name calling by calling me a racist, pedophile etc. Perhaps it is you who should read through the comments and think about how you represent yourself in the future.
“A lot of different folks from all over the spectrum link to bigger blogs, while the clientele for smaller ones tends to be more niche oriented and appeal-specialized. So when racists link to smaller blogs, it means more.”
That’s asinine. First of all I believe Atlas gets tens of thousands of hits a day so the “smaller blog” stuff is relative. Secondly I get a large variety of readers, that’s how the Internet works, even Tila Tequila apparently is a fan since she linked here just recently, I’ll say because I happen to like dropping names. For someone who claims to be so logical this argument of yours seems to be less than well thought out. It does conveniently let you judge your favorite blog by completely different standards than all others.
What’s the word for that? Oh yeah, hypocrisy.
“Those Stormfronters don’t have to call Pam a hero; they’re agreeing with her posted opinions – something that should deeply trouble her, and you, but doesn’t seem to, in either case. Wonder why that is?”
The racist Odinist movement you so despise agrees with you that biracial people can’t worship Odin. Doesn’t that bother you?
Many Nazis are anti-Creationism just as you are, doesn’t that bother you?
I wonder why that is?
“The Atheist does not simply disbelieve in some form of divinity in the world, he or she seeks the total annihilation of religion and the religious.”
You sir are an idiot.
Sorry, Salamander, but you’ve got the wrong guy. Booted? Yes. Troll? Maybe a bit towards the end. But I sure as hell am not ‘Rob Taylor’- check the IP addresses if you want to be sure.
-Odinist, former poster at LGF
i just thought that Lenard is the funniest guy in Big Bang Theory.*’
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Quote “I am not a Christian, though having my academic background in Comparative Religion I have a basic understanding of Christian theology.”
“Theology.”
Thank you for the honest statement. However:
(1) We are all going to die.
(2) You cannot take it with you.
(3) Seems strange doesn’t it, to work so hard, study, be educated, accomplish so much, then poof, YOU and your words, work, and everything else is (eventually) gone.
(4) Read what Jesus said. Either you agree with what He said or not. But you must admit, NO-ONE ever spoke the way He did, ever, throughout all time.
Actually many of Jesus’ words are mirrored in many religions, Christianity is part of a continuum of Western Civilization.
I never said that I was an atheist and thought there was no after life, only that I’m not Christian.